Calling for mr. John Simmons
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
I'm afraid to talk about this. A prisoner can't do much from inside the prison.
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom. As an example, if I go on the street with a sign saying "Stephen Harper is an asshole" (which he is BTW), I will get strange looks from people, but I will not get arrested; try to do that in Iran, or China (or some other countries... ), if you get arrested for your political opinions, then your country is wrong. It's not ours to give, but yours to win. Like the great philosophers (The Beasty Boys) of our time says : "You need to fight for your right to party!" another BTW, try to get the movie "Persepolis" (probably banned in Iran), it's a very good animation based on a cartoon by Marjane Satrapi. 40 years ago, there was the "Mai '68" uprising in Europe and the North Ameria (to a lesser extent) and one of the motto was : "Il est interdit d'interdir" which translate to "It's forbidden to forbid". Try to apply this to your own life.
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Maximilien wrote:
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom.
Mmm... Not sure if that works. I mean, there can be a revolution and civil war, but it does not assure you that the next ones, for the "sake of the republic", will actually restore freedom. Consider the English Civil war with Cromwell, or the French Revolution and Robespierre, or the Chinese Revolution and Mao Zedong. Violence generates violence. A revolution will only lead to further dead. After so many deads the people will only want peace, whether they are free or not. I've come to think of this many times in the past, as my country suffered exactly the same. Ten years ago, still in the dictatorship, we were always thinking on a revolution. But then again, we were able to make it to a (yet weak) democratic state without violence. Given those experiences, I think that it is a (rather frustrating) slow change. First, the people must be convinced (in the end, the law is for the people; if the people wants a theocratic state, well, there's nothing else to do). Second, the "oposition" must never use violence and go through the reasoning path. They must claim for stronger institutions. Small changes, one by one, until the current state cannot hold and change is needed. That's my opinion, at least.
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
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I don't think so. I have two friends, one in England and the other in Los Angeles. The man in US is much happier. Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
// "In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni while (I_am_alive)
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}Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
I think the difference (other than the very important contribution to each situation by the two different individuals themselves) has a lot to do with "national character." Contrary to what "liberal" (i.e. leftist) news outlets always present as fact about Americans, we are not racists and/or other types or closed-minded reactionary bigots. We honestly do tend to see those with whom we interact as individuals first-and-foremost and as members of this or that group far down on the list. At any rate, the more "conservative" the American, the more the above assertion applies. Those of us who are leftists tend to be the opposite: seeing the person first-and-foremost as the local incarnation of some group.
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They kept it clean and then the guy from Iran started a thread in the Lounge.
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"the guy from Iran started a thread" ? You are calling for a ban on Iranian CPians? I thought you, of all people, would know what it is to be discriminated against. Oh, at least we Indians are not alone in your book - we now have the Iranians for company.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
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Maximilien wrote:
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom.
Mmm... Not sure if that works. I mean, there can be a revolution and civil war, but it does not assure you that the next ones, for the "sake of the republic", will actually restore freedom. Consider the English Civil war with Cromwell, or the French Revolution and Robespierre, or the Chinese Revolution and Mao Zedong. Violence generates violence. A revolution will only lead to further dead. After so many deads the people will only want peace, whether they are free or not. I've come to think of this many times in the past, as my country suffered exactly the same. Ten years ago, still in the dictatorship, we were always thinking on a revolution. But then again, we were able to make it to a (yet weak) democratic state without violence. Given those experiences, I think that it is a (rather frustrating) slow change. First, the people must be convinced (in the end, the law is for the people; if the people wants a theocratic state, well, there's nothing else to do). Second, the "oposition" must never use violence and go through the reasoning path. They must claim for stronger institutions. Small changes, one by one, until the current state cannot hold and change is needed. That's my opinion, at least.
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Violence generates violence.
Well, no, *people* generate violence. And the reason revolutions almost always turn out bad (and frequently worse than what came before) isn't due to violence, necessarily. It's the rationales for the violence ... and the "acceptable" limits to the use of violence ... which largely determine the end-result. Even something as "irrational" and collective as a revolution or a war (or even mere mob-violence) has an internal logic to which it will conform.
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Maybe the zone of living is a matter.
I think the difference (other than the very important contribution to each situation by the two different individuals themselves) has a lot to do with "national character." Contrary to what "liberal" (i.e. leftist) news outlets always present as fact about Americans, we are not racists and/or other types or closed-minded reactionary bigots. We honestly do tend to see those with whom we interact as individuals first-and-foremost and as members of this or that group far down on the list. At any rate, the more "conservative" the American, the more the above assertion applies. Those of us who are leftists tend to be the opposite: seeing the person first-and-foremost as the local incarnation of some group.
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"the guy from Iran started a thread" ? You are calling for a ban on Iranian CPians? I thought you, of all people, would know what it is to be discriminated against. Oh, at least we Indians are not alone in your book - we now have the Iranians for company.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Leckey has the timeframe wrong Vikram. Hamed posted a thread in the lounge about compilation errors. Then Simmons replied to him (see John's post above for the contents). The Iranian guy was upset by that and asked to continue the discussion here. It went from there. To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably and certainly didn't deserve the comments from John.
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You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
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leckey wrote:
You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
Oh? What about them?
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I wouldn't call it gusto, and for the record, I invited him to move the discussion to the soapbox because he turned what I posted into a serious political discussion.
Well, whatever. It was more suited to this messageboard than the lounge. At least it's been kept civil and intelligent unlike the drivel that's been spilled here lately.
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"the guy from Iran started a thread" ? You are calling for a ban on Iranian CPians? I thought you, of all people, would know what it is to be discriminated against. Oh, at least we Indians are not alone in your book - we now have the Iranians for company.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
we Indians
You are the only person who has ever shown that you are upset by the 'dot or feather' reference. Since I am Native American and find the term pretentious, and we had a large Indian from India population from school that is what I started to use to differentiate the two groups. Maybe I'd find it offensive if I didn't fall into one of the two categories. It's like making fun of myself. I guess I'll use "Native American" or "Indians from India or have descended from other individuals originating from the country of India." That suit your uptightness?
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leckey wrote:
You've obviously never lived where there are Indian reservations.
Oh? What about them?
[I thought I was responding to someone else and had made a comment that was not directed to that person.] I've seen A LOT of discrimination against NATIVE AMERICANS (that's for Uptight Vik). Ilidiot seems to think we have all smoked pot and love everyone.
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Maximilien wrote:
That's why you (as well as others in Iran and China and other coutries in the world where they put people in prisons because of what they think and write ) need to go down in the street in MASSES and fight for your OWN freedom.
Mmm... Not sure if that works. I mean, there can be a revolution and civil war, but it does not assure you that the next ones, for the "sake of the republic", will actually restore freedom. Consider the English Civil war with Cromwell, or the French Revolution and Robespierre, or the Chinese Revolution and Mao Zedong. Violence generates violence. A revolution will only lead to further dead. After so many deads the people will only want peace, whether they are free or not. I've come to think of this many times in the past, as my country suffered exactly the same. Ten years ago, still in the dictatorship, we were always thinking on a revolution. But then again, we were able to make it to a (yet weak) democratic state without violence. Given those experiences, I think that it is a (rather frustrating) slow change. First, the people must be convinced (in the end, the law is for the people; if the people wants a theocratic state, well, there's nothing else to do). Second, the "oposition" must never use violence and go through the reasoning path. They must claim for stronger institutions. Small changes, one by one, until the current state cannot hold and change is needed. That's my opinion, at least.
Stupidity is an International Association - Enrique Jardiel Poncela
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[I thought I was responding to someone else and had made a comment that was not directed to that person.] I've seen A LOT of discrimination against NATIVE AMERICANS (that's for Uptight Vik). Ilidiot seems to think we have all smoked pot and love everyone.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
modified on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 2:04 PM
My wife is Native American, that's why I ask.
modified on Wednesday, May 7, 2008 2:09 PM
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Leckey has the timeframe wrong Vikram. Hamed posted a thread in the lounge about compilation errors. Then Simmons replied to him (see John's post above for the contents). The Iranian guy was upset by that and asked to continue the discussion here. It went from there. To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably and certainly didn't deserve the comments from John.
Clearly, she didn't. She said "They kept it clean and then the guy from Iran started a thread in the Lounge."
73Zeppelin wrote:
To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably
Oh, I totally agree.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
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My wife is Native American, that's why I ask.
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Crap--I totally did not realize who I was posting too-I thought it was Ilidiot. My apologies; I'm going to redo the post. As for the offenders, some people have let me know whom not to waste their time on. If you don't want to know or care then don't read it; kind of like how I am when I see any post by fat-boy and global warming.
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On the whole a good list with a couple of caveats. Mr Dinner Jacket hasn't, as far as I know, aligned him self with nutters in either Venezuela or the DPRK rather George Bush, or whoever pulls his strings, has associated them together for bad-association propaganda purposes. The axis of evil doesn't actually exist outside the collective neo-conservative excuse for a mind. Iran isn't paying people to set off bombs and cause civil unrest in the US, at least not successfully. As far as we can tell the US is doing precisely that inside Iran, i.e. behaving as a terrorist state which kind of explains a lot of what's coming back the other way. Even if this is not so both the US and UK have sponsored terrorism and brought down a democratically elected president in Iran before so a large degree of fear that they might do so again is not unreasonable. Keep up the good work.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Crap--I totally did not realize who I was posting too-I thought it was Ilidiot. My apologies; I'm going to redo the post. As for the offenders, some people have let me know whom not to waste their time on. If you don't want to know or care then don't read it; kind of like how I am when I see any post by fat-boy and global warming.
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leckey wrote:
Crap--I totally did not realize who I was posting too-I thought it was Ilidiot. My apologies; I'm going to redo the post.
Leave it, I don't care. I'm a complete bastard with 12 inch thick skin anyways. Besides, you are not among the select few that I enjoy giving a hard time to.
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Leckey has the timeframe wrong Vikram. Hamed posted a thread in the lounge about compilation errors. Then Simmons replied to him (see John's post above for the contents). The Iranian guy was upset by that and asked to continue the discussion here. It went from there. To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably and certainly didn't deserve the comments from John.
I have to agree that Hamed was very cool about it and actually gave some very articulate explanations/responses.
CP Offenders: Over 50 offenders and growing! Current rant: "Me thinks CP needs an application process!" http://craptasticnation.blogspot.com/[^]
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leckey wrote:
Crap--I totally did not realize who I was posting too-I thought it was Ilidiot. My apologies; I'm going to redo the post.
Leave it, I don't care. I'm a complete bastard with 12 inch thick skin anyways. Besides, you are not among the select few that I enjoy giving a hard time to.
73Zeppelin wrote:
you are not among the select few that I enjoy giving a hard time to
I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not! ;P
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Clearly, she didn't. She said "They kept it clean and then the guy from Iran started a thread in the Lounge."
73Zeppelin wrote:
To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably
Oh, I totally agree.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
Hey I wanted to ask you something. You know those bread things (the name escapes me at the moment) that you wanted to roll on the x-ray film? What do you traditionally eat those with? I've got a recipe for them and want to know what to eat them with.
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Clearly, she didn't. She said "They kept it clean and then the guy from Iran started a thread in the Lounge."
73Zeppelin wrote:
To be honest, I think Hamed has conducted himself quite respectably
Oh, I totally agree.
Cheers, Vikram.
The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.
