The No Bama problem in a nutshell
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Of course, thats all dependent on McCain not treating them exactly the same way Obama is. I think the most likely scenario is large numbers of such people simply not voting at all, while huge masses of more urban types come out enmasse for Obama. It all depends on how hard McCain is willing to fight for the oval office.
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
The fact that the Republican party has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning anything at this point is one of a lot of reasons I'm happy I don't live in the United States. How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
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The fact that the Republican party has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning anything at this point is one of a lot of reasons I'm happy I don't live in the United States. How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
Steve Westbrook wrote:
How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
Including all our wars or just the most recent one?
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Maybe, maybe not, we'll have to wait until November to find out. Right now national polls show both Obama and Clinton beating McCain with Obama having the greater margin of victory. [edit] Another POV[^]
modified on Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:59 PM
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The fact that the Republican party has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning anything at this point is one of a lot of reasons I'm happy I don't live in the United States. How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
Steve Westbrook wrote:
How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
The real question is how many enemy soldiers are dead. The Bush administration (yappy dogs dressed in wolf's clothing) can certainly be faulted for exposing so many Americans to death or injury while eliminating so few, comparatively, of the other guys. One of the few areas where McCain shines is that he spoke out on this issue earlier than most. The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. ~ George S. Patton, Jr.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Maybe, maybe not, we'll have to wait until November to find out. Right now national polls show both Obama and Clinton beating McCain with Obama having the greater margin of victory. [edit] Another POV[^]
modified on Sunday, May 11, 2008 10:59 PM
oilFactotum wrote:
Right now national polls show both Obama and Clinton beating McCain with Obama having the greater margin of victory.
At one point polls showed Dukakis beating HW Bush. I say that not to suggest that Obama is as weak a candidate as Dukakis, but to suggest how unlikely it is for a poll to suggest a winner so far in advance.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Right now national polls show both Obama and Clinton beating McCain with Obama having the greater margin of victory.
At one point polls showed Dukakis beating HW Bush. I say that not to suggest that Obama is as weak a candidate as Dukakis, but to suggest how unlikely it is for a poll to suggest a winner so far in advance.
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Oakman wrote:
how unlikely it is for a poll to suggest a winner so far in advance.
Indeed. Just as the Financial Times interviewing a few people in Virginia is unlikely to be indicative of an Obama loss in November.
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Oakman wrote:
how unlikely it is for a poll to suggest a winner so far in advance.
Indeed. Just as the Financial Times interviewing a few people in Virginia is unlikely to be indicative of an Obama loss in November.
oilFactotum wrote:
Indeed. Just as the Financial Times interviewing a few people in Virginia is unlikely to be indicative of an Obama loss in November.
I'm sorry if my post seemed to suggest that I thought polls pro any candidate were more accurate than any others. That certainly wasn't my intention.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”[^] While this is a very poor, rural and primarily white section of the country, I believe it representative of Joe six pack across the country, regardless of region. If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot. Clinton v. McCain would be an exceptionally tight race on the order of Gore v. Bush or Kerry v. Bush. I'd wager that in a year when Democrats should have a cake walk, they're going to pull defeat from the jaws of victory by nominating Obama.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot.
Is that why you voted for Hillary the other day?
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
If it is Obama v. McCain, Obama does not have a shot.
Is that why you voted for Hillary the other day?
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
Is that why you voted for Hillary the other day?
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
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Al Beback wrote:
Is that why you voted for Hillary the other day?
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
But Mike thinks that Obama does not have a shot. So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
But Mike thinks that Obama does not have a shot. So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
But Mike thinks that Obama does not have a shot.
Thats only because of what has come out on him as the campaign has grinded along. Had Clinton dropped out in March, none of this would have ever become public. McCain won't touch this kind of negative campaigning because he does not want to called a racist (for all the good that will do him). But Hillary has no such worries she can get away with a lot more than any republican can. We needed someone with the balls to bloody Obama up, and Hillary was our man.
Al Beback wrote:
It's not very democratic.
Sorry, I don't entertain lectures on democracy from the left. The democrats stopped being democratic a long time ago.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
But Mike thinks that Obama does not have a shot. So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
"Dirty" ?? - gosh. Here in Indiana we have an open primary that is tax payer (I am one, fyi) funded and now voting is "dirty" ???? "Not very democratic" ?? - double gosh. And here I went and made my thumb purple for an undemocratic purpose? I do admit that when I return, I showered and scrubbed myself with a brillo pad. All joking aside, the purpose was to prolong the fight. There's not a lick of difference between the two except for the willingness of nobama to sit down with our enemies and toast marshmallows. I couldn't vote for either in the general election unless there was a gun to my head.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Al Beback wrote:
So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
"Dirty" ?? - gosh. Here in Indiana we have an open primary that is tax payer (I am one, fyi) funded and now voting is "dirty" ???? "Not very democratic" ?? - double gosh. And here I went and made my thumb purple for an undemocratic purpose? I do admit that when I return, I showered and scrubbed myself with a brillo pad. All joking aside, the purpose was to prolong the fight. There's not a lick of difference between the two except for the willingness of nobama to sit down with our enemies and toast marshmallows. I couldn't vote for either in the general election unless there was a gun to my head.
Mike - typical white guy. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
All joking aside, the purpose was to prolong the fight.
Prolong the fight? But you'd think that if Nobama has no chance against McSame, an excellent Republican like yourself would want to vote for him to help him win the Democratic nomination, right? Unless of course, it's Swillary that has no chance against McBrainDead and you were trying to help her beat Nobama. :~ Isn't name-calling fun?
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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The fact that the Republican party has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning anything at this point is one of a lot of reasons I'm happy I don't live in the United States. How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
Steve Westbrook wrote:
How many thousand soldiers are dead because of their poor leadership?
You do the math: The War The Prez Party WW1 Thomas Woodrow Wilson Democrat WW2 Franklin D. Roosevelt Democrat Korean War Harry Truman Democrat Vietnam JFK Democrat Gulf War George Bush Republican Iraq George Bush (2) Republican I just used all the Major conflicts of the 20th century. Did not look up the casualty numbers but it really isn't necessary. Not that it has any premise but the party affiliation of the President does not free the voter from electing the best man/woman for the job regardless of what party he/she is from. And this year I really don't have a great deal of hope for any of the bums. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Precisely. The longer she campaigns, the more harm that is done to Obama.
But Mike thinks that Obama does not have a shot. So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
No, but it's very Democratic. (One of the nice things about web chat it that the comeback that took five hours to think up looks immediate to the guy who reads it at six hours ;))
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Al Beback wrote:
So why resort to dirty voting tactics? It's not very democratic.
No, but it's very Democratic. (One of the nice things about web chat it that the comeback that took five hours to think up looks immediate to the guy who reads it at six hours ;))
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RichardM1 wrote:
No, but it's very Democratic.
If you say so. But then, what does that mean? The Republicans are copy-catters? The Republicans are catching up? The Republicans are no worse than their counterparts? You can point fingers at whatever party you like, but Republicans voting for Hillary as the weaker opponent against McCain is dirty tactics.
RichardM1 wrote:
(One of the nice things about web chat it that the comeback that took five hours to think up looks immediate to the guy who reads it at six hours )
6 hours, for a comeback? :-D I'm honored you thought it through. :)
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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RichardM1 wrote:
No, but it's very Democratic.
If you say so. But then, what does that mean? The Republicans are copy-catters? The Republicans are catching up? The Republicans are no worse than their counterparts? You can point fingers at whatever party you like, but Republicans voting for Hillary as the weaker opponent against McCain is dirty tactics.
RichardM1 wrote:
(One of the nice things about web chat it that the comeback that took five hours to think up looks immediate to the guy who reads it at six hours )
6 hours, for a comeback? :-D I'm honored you thought it through. :)
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
If you say so. But then, what does that mean? The Republicans are copy-catters?
Truth is, it don't mean feces. It was just a "witty" come-back-ism/trollism. Unfortunately, both the reps and dems are busy playing catch up on each other: Lately, the reps are spending like drunken dems, and the dems are as corrupted and big biz as the reps.
Al Beback wrote:
You can point fingers at whatever party you like, but Republicans voting for Hillary as the weaker opponent against McCain is dirty tactics
You can call it dirty tactics, but no matter who does it, it is really just gaming the system. It is within the rules, just not the spirit: The law of unintended consequences is always in play.
Al Beback wrote:
I'm honored you thought it through.
I didn't ;) I'm too ADD to think things through. :-\
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