This is a fucking disgrace
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Sheep and goats but I don't see why you distinguish, there is only one great and terrible day of the Lord, the day of judgement, the last day. I've come across some seriously bent interpretations of Revelation but never one that tries to justify 2 judgement days.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
The way I heard it, there's the last day (Sheep and Goats) which judges all of those who are alive, and then there's the Throne, when the graves are opened and everybody else gets their shot at explaining why they broke their sister's favorite doll when they were ten.
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So what is it, assuming you're a materialist, that you think is in an oak that isn't in an acorn?
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
I don't know what you mean by "materialist" in that context. Oaks have leaves. Roots. Xylem. Phloem. Nests. Beetles. Acorns. Acorns do not, but they have the potential to. In exactly the same way a fertilised egg is not a human being but it has the potential to grow into one.
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MPs throw out bids to reduce abortion limit[^] Despite the advances made, it is still legal to kill a foetus of 24 weeks which has a 47% chance of surviving if born. In Europe its generally 12 weeks. When does life start? 10, 12 weeks? When can it be stated that an individual exists, even IF they need a life support machine in the form of a womb to do so. Its a long fucking way before 24 weeks though.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Life starts when you give up computers.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Life starts when you give up computers.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Life starts when you give up computers
How would you know?
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Oakman wrote:
How would you know?
The same way you would? ;P
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Oakman wrote:
How would you know?
The same way you would? ;P
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fat_boy wrote:
When does life start?
From the standpoint of abortion, it's irrelevant. The fact that someone is declared "alive" does not give that them the right to occupy and use another person's body without that person's consent.
fat_boy wrote:
Despite the advances made, it is still legal to kill a foetus of 24 weeks which has a 47% chance of surviving if born.
I agree that it's disgraceful. The intent of abortion should not be to kill a fetus but to remove it from the woman's body. If the fetus can be removed and kept alive, it should be. However, in that case, I would prefer that the woman be forced to carry it to term for a few more months. Unfortunately, who's to stop her from drinking, smoking, abusing drugs, or doing other nasty things to herself (and the fetus) in the mean time?
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
The "right" is "obtained" when "another person" decides to act in such a way as to create that "someone".
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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The "right" is "obtained" when "another person" decides to act in such a way as to create that "someone".
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
The "right" is "obtained" when "another person" decides to act in such a way as to create that "someone".
That is your opinion and I respect it. But please keep in mind that not everyone shares it. For human beings, the act of sex is almost never accompanied by a desire to procreate. It is usually done for the pleasure of it. And just like there's no law that says that your body has to forever be the host of whatever STD you happen to catch from sex, there should also not be a law that forces you to host a fetus that begins growing inside of it.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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DRHuff wrote:
The "right" is "obtained" when "another person" decides to act in such a way as to create that "someone".
That is your opinion and I respect it. But please keep in mind that not everyone shares it. For human beings, the act of sex is almost never accompanied by a desire to procreate. It is usually done for the pleasure of it. And just like there's no law that says that your body has to forever be the host of whatever STD you happen to catch from sex, there should also not be a law that forces you to host a fetus that begins growing inside of it.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Al Beback wrote:
That is your opinion and I respect it
This is why I usually don't comment on abortion related issues. Everyone has their opinion and almost nobody ever changes their mind. Why get into a fight?
Al Beback wrote:
For human beings, the act of sex is almost never accompanied by a desire to procreate
But it is always accompanied by the potential to procreate. Personal responsibility about your actions should have some influence on your actions and its consequences. My principal argument against abortion is its use as retroactive birth control - and even there my argument is that I don't pay for other peoples condoms or birth control pills so why should I have to pay for their "I'm to stupid or lazy to bother" method of birth control? (I live in Canada - home of socialized medicine (where BTW we have NO laws governing abortion since our Supreme Court struck down our last one and the gov't has been to chickenshit to tackle the topic since))
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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Madmaximus wrote:
You do have a choice it's called "Doing the right thing" by not aborting and put it up for adoption.
Thanks for your valuable opinion.
Madmaximus wrote:
Two wrongs don't make it right.
Actually, it's "Two wrongs don't make a right." But thanks for the irrelevant cliche.
Madmaximus wrote:
This much might be too much for your little brain. It's people like you who can't think beyond their little head that is the problem.
My little brain can't understand. Don't bother explaining.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
Madmaximus wrote: You do have a choice it's called "Doing the right thing" by not aborting and put it up for adoption. Thanks for your valuable opinion. Yes, it is better then your stupid gibberish lies you have been spewing. Reading your stuff is like talking to a 4 year old.
Al Beback wrote:
Madmaximus wrote: Two wrongs don't make it right. Actually, it's "Two wrongs don't make a right." But thanks for the irrelevant cliche.
Actually it is correct. Now go pull your head out of your ass and go and learn something.
Al Beback wrote:
Madmaximus wrote: This much might be too much for your little brain. It's people like you who can't think beyond their little head that is the problem. My little brain can't understand. Don't bother explaining.
Good, don't waste my time until you finish Elementary school.
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Al Beback wrote:
That is your opinion and I respect it
This is why I usually don't comment on abortion related issues. Everyone has their opinion and almost nobody ever changes their mind. Why get into a fight?
Al Beback wrote:
For human beings, the act of sex is almost never accompanied by a desire to procreate
But it is always accompanied by the potential to procreate. Personal responsibility about your actions should have some influence on your actions and its consequences. My principal argument against abortion is its use as retroactive birth control - and even there my argument is that I don't pay for other peoples condoms or birth control pills so why should I have to pay for their "I'm to stupid or lazy to bother" method of birth control? (I live in Canada - home of socialized medicine (where BTW we have NO laws governing abortion since our Supreme Court struck down our last one and the gov't has been to chickenshit to tackle the topic since))
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
DRHuff wrote:
Personal responsibility about your actions should have some influence on your actions and its consequences.
Yes, I agree. But it doesn't change the fact that the fetus does not have a right to a woman's womb unless the woman grants it that right.
DRHuff wrote:
My principal argument against abortion is its use as retroactive birth control
Yes, it's truly sad when it's used that way by the same person, over and over again. (Although it could be argued that such women are better off not having children.) I'm not sure what the right answer is for helping women not consider doing it more than once.
DRHuff wrote:
- and even there my argument is that I don't pay for other peoples condoms or birth control pills so why should I have to pay for their "I'm to stupid or lazy to bother" method of birth control? (I live in Canada
Wow, that sucks. Abortions are not free here in the US.
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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Madmaximus wrote: You do have a choice it's called "Doing the right thing" by not aborting and put it up for adoption. Thanks for your valuable opinion. Yes, it is better then your stupid gibberish lies you have been spewing. Reading your stuff is like talking to a 4 year old.
Al Beback wrote:
Madmaximus wrote: Two wrongs don't make it right. Actually, it's "Two wrongs don't make a right." But thanks for the irrelevant cliche.
Actually it is correct. Now go pull your head out of your ass and go and learn something.
Al Beback wrote:
Madmaximus wrote: This much might be too much for your little brain. It's people like you who can't think beyond their little head that is the problem. My little brain can't understand. Don't bother explaining.
Good, don't waste my time until you finish Elementary school.
Madmaximus wrote:
stupid gibberish lies
Madmaximus wrote:
talking to a 4 year old
Madmaximus wrote:
pull your head out of your ass
Madmaximus wrote:
finish Elementary scho
How old are you, really? And why so much anger?
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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Rob Graham wrote:
Try 1-900-WE-WHACKM instead.
No need. Tim Craig already volunteered. http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=2605&select=2564056&fr=1#xx2564056xx
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