So Islam is a religion of peace
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If Islam is a "religion of peace" as I am being told every day then (1) Why are there any Muslims in prison in the first place and (2) Why are there Muslim gangs in prison. According to the article "Prison officers at one of Britain's maximum security jails are losing control to Muslim gangs... staff believe a 'serious incident is imminent' as several wings become dominated by Muslim prisoners." http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/25/prisonsandprobation.ukcrime[^]
Andy *M* wrote:
(1) Why are there any Muslims in prison in the first place and (2) Why are there Muslim gangs in prison.
Might be they are working towards piece instead of peace :~
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man how to fish, he'll eat for lifetime. Pradeep Joe
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John C. Smith wrote:
islam Isn't a religion of peace to begin with.
Sure it is - a piece of the infidel here, a piece of the Jew there...
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess the real question is, why do we assume all Muslims are the same as their lowest common denominator, but don't do the same for Christians ?
No we judge them by what they believe in. Christianity doesn't encourage violence and domination, while islime does. Don't you get it? Are you so brainwashed by political correctness (aka fear) that you refuse to see the truth?
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ABSOLUTE FUCKING BULLSHIT!@ I'd punch you in the face if you said that to me in person. :mad:
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John C. Smith wrote:
ABSOLUTE f***ing bullsh*t!@ I'd punch you in the face if you said that to me in person.
So, tell me, Mr. Henize, what religion of peace do you belong to?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Kill em all, right ?
Either that, or make them feel so shitty about the 'shit' they 'shit' out of their 'shitty asses' that they change and apologize to everyone because they worshiped a filthy 'religion' and a pedifile.
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm just not stupid enough to believe the crap the media dishes out
The media is pro islime. I don't know how you think the media is dishing out anti-muslim propaganda. Is it because muslims are blowing shit up and crashing planes into skyscrapers and they actually report about it once in a blue moon? Would you rather they not report about real news?
Christian Graus wrote:
That's gross stereotyping and racism.
Why don't you read a little of the queeran and then tell me how you feel?
Christian Graus wrote:
I choose to believe that the vast bulk of muslim people, follow their religion for no reason beyond that they were born into it, and want nothing more than to live in peace with their families.
You CHOOSE to BELIEVE that.
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John C. Smith wrote:
I don't know how you think the media is dishing out anti-muslim propaganda
I guess I can't speak for your media. You're in Iran ?
John C. Smith wrote:
You CHOOSE to BELIEVE that.
Yes, I do choose. I guess that comes with not being bigoted, with having half brain.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Now that you've enlightened us all, I am really scared, because we has lots of Muslims in SA, and even one in our company. Whereto shall I run? Your dick-headed, white Utopia? ;P
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Your dick-headed, white Utopia?
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Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I HATE islam thats all there is to it. Its a stupid filthy disgusting religion and I refuse to respect or tolerate it.
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OK, that says a lot about you. You hate it for what ? Being intolerant ? That would be *brilliant*
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I meant the first "we" as Americans. I try not to lump everyone into one group or another. But I admit it is sometimes hard to be objective. Yes, Israel, the US and a number of other countries have killed innocent people. But what was in retaliation versus offensive? (Just a theoretical question.) I also hate the idea of Muslims feeling hated-- I have seen some studies (don't have the links right now) that this results in more 'extreme' Muslim thoughts/actions. I am limited where I live and the cultural/religious diversity. (I have been told dozens of times that I am the first Jewish person they have met.) I find other religions and cultures interesting; however, my advisor is the only one I have met in person who wanted to discuss it openly. I've met a lot of Hindus--another religion I find very interesting. So not trying to start a flame war here--just trying to look at it somewhat objectively as an American and as a Jew. Can I look at it completely objectively? No. All I can do is try.
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leckey wrote:
But what was in retaliation versus offensive?
That's at the core of media bias. They will tell you about an act, without context, based on the bias they want to show.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess the real question is, why do we assume all Muslims are the same as their lowest common denominator, but don't do the same for Christians ?
No we judge them by what they believe in. Christianity doesn't encourage violence and domination, while islime does. Don't you get it? Are you so brainwashed by political correctness (aka fear) that you refuse to see the truth?
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if its all about testing your knowledge about Islam or Koran, why don;t you show the reference and I show the multiple reference of Bible which "sounds" to promote terrorism. Bring your reference and I bring mine. How's that?
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I did specify that while I have met other Muslims, I got a bit of a cold shoulder. I like learning about different cultures and religions. I just don't want either party to say one is better than one or the other. If a person gets comfort from the relion, and does not hurt anyone else in the name of that religion, I have no problem what they pray to. I also agree on the non-violent Muslims. But being in such a rural area, where do I go to visit with other peaceful Muslims? Yeah, I could probably find something on the internet, but when it comes to religion, I think face to face is important. As for the American military, they do the best they can with the intelligence given them. I do not deny that innocents were killed. My late father did two tours in Vietnam. Although we never talked about it, I saw the result of him killing people--"guilty" or otherwise. When it comes to strapping bombs, it's been at open areas such as bus stops and even universities. Why not focus on Israel military areas? Even rockets have hit close to schools. Again, not saying that Israel is 100% innocent--no one who has a military can say that. I realize my view is slanted; but I wanted to give a view that was not so "you're wrong, I'm right, I'm sticking my fingers in my ears, lalalalalalala."
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problem with you is that you have been TAUGHT by rabis NOT bible that Muslims are bad hence can'e be good at all since they don't believe in Bible while reality neither MUslims nor Christians killed prophets like Zakriah and Jhon. As long as you see others with glass of hatred, you will find every other Muslim a "terrorist". I personally know Jew who respect Islam despite of not accepting it and it's because they follow Bible rather what media teaches them.
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leckey wrote:
I also agree on the non-violent Muslims. But being in such a rural area, where do I go to visit with other peaceful Muslims? Yeah, I could probably find something on the internet, but when it comes to religion, I think face to face is important.
I have daily contact with Muslim people. On the whole they're funny, caring, responsible and contribute to society. I guess you dont have that contact but what you do have is the brains to understand that what you see on the TV is not the reality.
leckey wrote:
As for the American military, they do the best they can with the intelligence given them. I do not deny that innocents were killed. My late father did two tours in Vietnam. Although we never talked about it, I saw the result of him killing people--"guilty" or otherwise. When it comes to strapping bombs, it's been at open areas such as bus stops and even universities. Why not focus on Israel military areas? Even rockets have hit close to schools. Again, not saying that Israel is 100% innocent--no one who has a military can say that.
My point was that both sides have, and continue to willfully kill innocent people which I think is wrong. We call it collateral damage. You can argue degrees and scale all day but a muslim woman greaving for the loss of her child to a US bomb is no different to a Jewish or American mother greaving the loss of her child to a terrorist bomb.
though i dislike your rants about Pakistani cricket but I respect yout views about other religions despite of you disagre with me most of the time. 5 from my side.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess the real question is, why do we assume all Muslims are the same as their lowest common denominator, but don't do the same for Christians ?
People like to like to call Islam violent and dangerous because they can single out a few verses in the Koran or Hadith that say to kill infidels, but the truth is the Old testament is full of similar or worse commandments from God. In fact, some of these commandments have been used as justifications for the inquisition. Source[^] Jesus did say that not one "jot or tittle" of the law will pass away until after Armageddon. I think what it boils down to is fundamental Islam is a few hundred years behind Christianity as far as watering down their religion.
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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I guess the real question is, why do we assume all Muslims are the same as their lowest common denominator, but don't do the same for Christians ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Because 'we' need an identifiable enemy. So now that Communism is gone in the trash of History, Islam does fit well. and Hollywood is happy too!
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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John C. Smith wrote:
ABSOLUTE f***ing bullsh*t!@ I'd punch you in the face if you said that to me in person.
So, tell me, Mr. Henize, what religion of peace do you belong to?
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if its all about testing your knowledge about Islam or Koran, why don;t you show the reference and I show the multiple reference of Bible which "sounds" to promote terrorism. Bring your reference and I bring mine. How's that?
"...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-) "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-) "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216) "Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15) "The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19) "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119) "If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-) "To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no apostle unless he brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles before me [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the miracle you asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have been rejected before you..." (Surah 3:183-) "If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her the dowry you have given her..." (Surah 4:20) "Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-) "Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait till you can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43) "Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-) "Try as you may,
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"...now that a Book confirming their own has come to them from God, they deny it...they reply: 'We believe in what was revealed to us.' But they deny what has since been revealed, although it is truth...Say: 'Whoever is an enemy of Gabriel' (who has by God's grace revealed to you [Muhammad] the Koran as a guide...confirming previous scriptures)..will surely find that God is the enemy of the unbelievers.'...And now that an apostle has come to them from God confirming their own Scriptures, some of those to whom the Scriptures were given cast off the Book of God behind their backs...The unbelievers among the People of the Book, and the pagans, resent that any blessings should have been sent down to you from your Lord. " (Surah 2:88-, 98-, 103-) "Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-) "Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216) "Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15) "The only true faith in God's sight is Islam." (Surah 3:19) "Believers, do not make friends with any but your own people...They desire nothing but your ruin....You believe in the entire Book...When they meet you they say: 'We, too, are believers.' But when alone, they bite their finger-tips with rage." (Surah 3:118, 119) "If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, His forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches..." (Surah 3:156-) "To those that declare: 'God has commanded us to believe no apostle unless he brings down fire to consume an offering,' say: 'Other apostles before me [Muhammad] have come to you with veritable signs and worked the miracle you asked for...If they reject you [Muhammad], other apostles have been rejected before you..." (Surah 3:183-) "If you wish to replace a wife with another, do not take from her the dowry you have given her..." (Surah 4:20) "Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-) "Believers, do not approach your prayers when you are drunk, but wait till you can grasp the meaning of your words..." (Surah 4:43) "Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-) "Try as you may,
pimpdog wrote:
2:190
lol. i knew u non-muslims would quote this anyway. the verse revealed during war between Muslims and Pagans of Makkah. So Bush can order his soldiers in FIELD to kill Enemies and when Muslims r in field, they should not direct peers to fight? interesting. I think if you guys learn to LEARN things in context then could getrid of you ignorance. by the way, instead of wastig my team, some of your FOLKs made a website evilbible.com now some lunatic like u would love to quote these VIOLENT bible verses and make you embarass. even if islam is violent then Ironically it read every verse on the site and think what u had been "following" "those who live in glass houses don't throw stones on others"
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pimpdog wrote:
2:190
lol. i knew u non-muslims would quote this anyway. the verse revealed during war between Muslims and Pagans of Makkah. So Bush can order his soldiers in FIELD to kill Enemies and when Muslims r in field, they should not direct peers to fight? interesting. I think if you guys learn to LEARN things in context then could getrid of you ignorance. by the way, instead of wastig my team, some of your FOLKs made a website evilbible.com now some lunatic like u would love to quote these VIOLENT bible verses and make you embarass. even if islam is violent then Ironically it read every verse on the site and think what u had been "following" "those who live in glass houses don't throw stones on others"
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reality bites kid. go and continue your mental masturbation outside. you're boring.
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reality bites kid. go and continue your mental masturbation outside. you're boring.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
mental masturbation
You can DO that?! :omg:
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
mental masturbation
You can DO that?! :omg: