Westboro Baptist Church
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My understanding is that they have very few members, mostly he and his extended family. They just get far more media attention than they deserve. There are plenty of hate groups out there trying to pass themselves off as religions.
yeah, that much is true.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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The irony is that as a society we once had the ability to deal with such extremism quite effectively. Now, thanks to extreme leftist misinterpreations of the constitution, such groups proliferate. 50 years or so ago, these people would have just had the shit beat out of them in any community they dared attempt such demonstrations in. Now, they can freely promote their insanity with the full blessing of the 14th amendment, and no one can touch them. As with nearly everything, it is just another example of the good intentions of the left back firing on our entire society.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Everyone has a right to peaceful protest. What if the government was totally corrupt and doing bad things and anyone who spoke out against the government was treated with beatings? They should be able to tell people about their controversial message.
But, shouldn't the people be allowed to respond to it ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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But, shouldn't the people be allowed to respond to it ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I saw a doco on these guys the other day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church[^] They can't be serious, right ? Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Oh, the godhatesfags.com guys? They're a tempest in a teapot - as there's only 15 or 20 of them, and they're almost all related to the leader, Fred Phelps. It's not so much of a religious movement, or church even. It's just the really weird family at the end of the street. Don't get me wrong - they're total dicks. I wouldn't bat an eye if they were beaten severely at one of their funeral protests (well, the of-age men and women meaty enough to be considered "fightable"). You have every right to speak your mind, but if you tell some father that his son is in Hell because he fought in Iraq for the US, you get a punch in the face. It's not complicated. You can have free speech rights and get punched in the face for being a total jackass. I don't see the two being mutually exclusive, as longs as it's the private citizenry rearranging your face. Like others in this thread, I feel sorry for the couple of kids raised in that asylum. I have no pity for the adults.
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Oh, the godhatesfags.com guys? They're a tempest in a teapot - as there's only 15 or 20 of them, and they're almost all related to the leader, Fred Phelps. It's not so much of a religious movement, or church even. It's just the really weird family at the end of the street. Don't get me wrong - they're total dicks. I wouldn't bat an eye if they were beaten severely at one of their funeral protests (well, the of-age men and women meaty enough to be considered "fightable"). You have every right to speak your mind, but if you tell some father that his son is in Hell because he fought in Iraq for the US, you get a punch in the face. It's not complicated. You can have free speech rights and get punched in the face for being a total jackass. I don't see the two being mutually exclusive, as longs as it's the private citizenry rearranging your face. Like others in this thread, I feel sorry for the couple of kids raised in that asylum. I have no pity for the adults.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
Russell Morris wrote:
You can have free speech rights and get punched in the face for being a total jackass.
That's gotta be the quote of the century....
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I saw a doco on these guys the other day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church[^] They can't be serious, right ? Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Phelps and his cronies are - unfortunately - all too serious. :mad: The word "hatemonger" was quite literally made for that man - he makes Stephen Green (of the so-called "Christian Voice" pressure group here in the UK) look like a Teletubby. Very, very unpleasant and not at all Christian.
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I saw a doco on these guys the other day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church[^] They can't be serious, right ? Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
I e-mailed them a while back, and surprisingly, I got an e-mail back. I basically said that a church composed simply of family members is a pretty lame church, and they called me 'Raving Ravel' and dismissed every insult I made. Still, it was more than I was expecting, considering all the hate-mail that they probably get. Maybe it was because I made it sound like a serious e-mail at first, but then it got kinda nasty. :rolleyes:
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Everyone has a right to peaceful protest. What if the government was totally corrupt and doing bad things and anyone who spoke out against the government was treated with beatings? They should be able to tell people about their controversial message.
Hold On Let Me Think wrote:
Everyone has a right to peaceful protest.
Says who?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
I e-mailed them a while back, and surprisingly, I got an e-mail back. I basically said that a church composed simply of family members is a pretty lame church, and they called me 'Raving Ravel' and dismissed every insult I made. Still, it was more than I was expecting, considering all the hate-mail that they probably get. Maybe it was because I made it sound like a serious e-mail at first, but then it got kinda nasty. :rolleyes:
http://www.godhatessweden.com/html/royalfamily.html I wouldn't bother writing to people like this.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Hold On Let Me Think wrote:
Everyone has a right to peaceful protest.
Says who?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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The irony is that as a society we once had the ability to deal with such extremism quite effectively. Now, thanks to extreme leftist misinterpreations of the constitution, such groups proliferate. 50 years or so ago, these people would have just had the shit beat out of them in any community they dared attempt such demonstrations in. Now, they can freely promote their insanity with the full blessing of the 14th amendment, and no one can touch them. As with nearly everything, it is just another example of the good intentions of the left back firing on our entire society.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Now, thanks to extreme leftist misinterpreations of the constitution, such groups proliferate.
Wow! Free Speech is a misinterpretation of the constitution by extreme leftists :wtf: . In your world, Stan, is there such a thing as a leftist who is not extreme?
Stan Shannon wrote:
50 years or so ago, these people would have just had the sh*t beat out of them
Another Wow! Violent suppression of dissent is the American way. :rolleyes:
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Russell Morris wrote:
You can have free speech rights and get punched in the face for being a total jackass.
That's gotta be the quote of the century....
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
That's gotta be the quote of the century....
I thought it was right on the mark. People like this gang think that they can not only act like Joshua on the Internet, they can do so in person.
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I saw a doco on these guys the other day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church[^] They can't be serious, right ? Anyone have any dealings with these clowns ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Says who?
Thomas Jefferson. You OK? Haven't seen many posts out of you.
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Oakman wrote:
Thomas Jefferson
Where? I don't recall any quotes to the affect of "A community must be forced by an omnipotent federal state to tolerate the promotion of opinions offensive to it's general moral preferences." Doesn't seem very anti-federalist. The anti-federalist merely wanted the federal government to be restricted from controlling speech. They never imagined that the government would use that very restriction to mean that there could be no means to do so at all by anyone any where, that the public would be held captive by their own constitution to be powerless to affect the content of speech in any way. Whether or not speech represented 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' was supposed to have been an entirely local concern.
Oakman wrote:
You OK? Haven't seen many posts out of you.
Just busy.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Now, thanks to extreme leftist misinterpreations of the constitution, such groups proliferate.
Wow! Free Speech is a misinterpretation of the constitution by extreme leftists :wtf: . In your world, Stan, is there such a thing as a leftist who is not extreme?
Stan Shannon wrote:
50 years or so ago, these people would have just had the sh*t beat out of them
Another Wow! Violent suppression of dissent is the American way. :rolleyes:
oilFactotum wrote:
Free Speech is a misinterpretation of the constitution by extreme leftists
Yes, or at least your interpretation of it certainly is.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Free Speech is a misinterpretation of the constitution by extreme leftists
Yes, or at least your interpretation of it certainly is.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Intersting that you believe free speech is a communist plot. Poor Stan.
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Intersting that you believe free speech is a communist plot. Poor Stan.
oilFactotum wrote:
Intersting that you believe free speech is a communist plot.
I believe that virtually every interpretation of the constitution since about 1945 has been part of an ongoing Marxist plot.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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oilFactotum wrote:
Intersting that you believe free speech is a communist plot.
I believe that virtually every interpretation of the constitution since about 1945 has been part of an ongoing Marxist plot.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
believe that
Yeah, I know you do. Hence - "Poor Stan".
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Oakman wrote:
Thomas Jefferson
Where? I don't recall any quotes to the affect of "A community must be forced by an omnipotent federal state to tolerate the promotion of opinions offensive to it's general moral preferences." Doesn't seem very anti-federalist. The anti-federalist merely wanted the federal government to be restricted from controlling speech. They never imagined that the government would use that very restriction to mean that there could be no means to do so at all by anyone any where, that the public would be held captive by their own constitution to be powerless to affect the content of speech in any way. Whether or not speech represented 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' was supposed to have been an entirely local concern.
Oakman wrote:
You OK? Haven't seen many posts out of you.
Just busy.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
They never imagined that the government would use that very restriction to mean that there could be no means to do so at all by anyone any where, that the public would be held captive by their own constitution to be powerless to affect the content of speech in any way.
I forgot that you wish the Bill of Rights didn't apply to the States. On the other hand: "In every country where man is free to think and to speak, differences of opinion will arise from difference of perception, and the imperfection of reason; but these differences when permitted, as in this happy country, to purify themselves by free discussion, are but as passing clouds overspreading our land transiently and leaving our horizon more bright and serene." --Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Waring, 1801. Note that he said country, not state.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Just busy.
Good to hear.
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