Rep. Kucinich introduces articles of impeachment against President Bush
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Oakman wrote:
I don't think we've heard the last of the outing of Valerie Plame.
possibly, but were I the judge I'd throw that out of court. She was a desk bound analyst, not an under cover operative. Hardly worth debating but it will be interesting to watch it play out.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
She was a desk bound analyst, not an under cover operative. Hardly worth debating but it will be interesting to watch it play out.
That would have been the argument they should've advanced right away, but instead they appear to have entered into a conspiracy to hide the truth from the special prosecutor (as well as the public, but that's par for the course, regardless of whose in office.)
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Ilíon wrote:
you're even more hopelessly left than even I could have imagined
Have you ever accused anyone of being too far to the right for your taste? George Lincoln Rockwell, maybe?
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Oakman wrote:
George Lincoln Rockwell, maybe?
Hmmm, an oblique reductio ad Hitlerum.
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Except that we are not talking about blow jobs now. We are talking about national defense. There is a lot more on the line. If the dems win, there will be no reason to take the chance on suddenly finding themselves vulnerable to even more charges of being soft on protecting the nation. If they put the Bush administration of trial for how it has conducted its military efforts, and that is followed by another major terrorist attack, what do they do? If Bush's efforts were responsible for crippling terrorist activities, they won't be able to use them. Public perception is everything.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
If Bush's efforts were responsible for crippling terrorist activities, they won't be able to use them. Public perception is everything.
I certainly agree with that last thought, but along those lines, I think the Dems will be eager, maybe even anxious, to find all the justifications for getting out of Iraq that they can. The more of a stink they can raise about how the war was entered into and/or conducted, the more righteous they can appear in closing it down.
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Oakman wrote:
George Lincoln Rockwell, maybe?
Hmmm, an oblique reductio ad Hitlerum.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Me blog, You read
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
She was a desk bound analyst, not an under cover operative. Hardly worth debating but it will be interesting to watch it play out.
That would have been the argument they should've advanced right away, but instead they appear to have entered into a conspiracy to hide the truth from the special prosecutor (as well as the public, but that's par for the course, regardless of whose in office.)
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Oakman wrote:
That would have been the argument they should've advanced right away
agreed.
Oakman wrote:
but that's par for the course, regardless of whose in office
and once again, agreed.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If Bush's efforts were responsible for crippling terrorist activities, they won't be able to use them. Public perception is everything.
I certainly agree with that last thought, but along those lines, I think the Dems will be eager, maybe even anxious, to find all the justifications for getting out of Iraq that they can. The more of a stink they can raise about how the war was entered into and/or conducted, the more righteous they can appear in closing it down.
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I actually hope you're correct, but I honestly believe most of them are too smart to do that. I'm at the point of being willing to accept harm to my country in order to inflict damage to my real enemy - the left. But then, they have been doing the same thing, so who cares? They have been very successful at obfuscating their true agenda for a long time now, but if they want to voluntarily end the farce, thats fine by me.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Hmmm, an oblique reductio ad Hitlerum.
oblique? I thought it was acute reference :laugh:
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Oakman wrote:
I thought it was acute reference
But not as cute as Joshua thinks he is. :laugh:
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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I actually hope you're correct, but I honestly believe most of them are too smart to do that. I'm at the point of being willing to accept harm to my country in order to inflict damage to my real enemy - the left. But then, they have been doing the same thing, so who cares? They have been very successful at obfuscating their true agenda for a long time now, but if they want to voluntarily end the farce, thats fine by me.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I actually hope you're correct, but I honestly believe most of them are too smart to do that. I'm at the point of being willing to accept harm to my country in order to inflict damage to my real enemy - the left. But then, they have been doing the same thing, so who cares? They have been very successful at obfuscating their true agenda for a long time now, but if they want to voluntarily end the farce, thats fine by me.
But have you got two years of food in your shelter?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I actually hope you're correct, but I honestly believe most of them are too smart to do that. I'm at the point of being willing to accept harm to my country in order to inflict damage to my real enemy - the left. But then, they have been doing the same thing, so who cares? They have been very successful at obfuscating their true agenda for a long time now, but if they want to voluntarily end the farce, thats fine by me.
But have you got two years of food in your shelter?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Doesn't everyone?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Fine by me. There is nothing I want more than for the democrat party to take responsibility for rendering the commaner in chief impotent to defend the nation.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I don't think we've heard the last of the outing of Valerie Plame.
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Oakman wrote:
I don't think we've heard the last of the outing of Valerie Plame.
On top on not being a covert agent ... i.e. THERE WAS NO CRIME ... she was "outed" by anti-Bush people (including her own self and her husband) ... and this was known from the beginning by the Special Prosecuror.
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Excellent. 'bout damn time. BTW, the reason it was buried is because, once again, the media is trying to protect the democrats. They well know that an overt leftist attack on the commander in chief that results in no convictions of any kind (because nothing wrong was done) would not only expose them for what they really are, but it would also cripple any future democrat president who needs to do exactly the same thing. Your usefullness to your party is already at an end. You are now an unnecessary leftist dupe. They are now going to do evreything they can to pretend that wackos like you don't exist.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
the reason it was buried is because, once again, the media is trying to protect the democrats.
:laugh: :laugh: You really are delusional. The press doesn't report Kucinich to protect the democrats. The press was/is the "deferential, complicit enablers" of Bush administration "propaganda," in support of the war to give Democrats cover for their earlier support of the war. You really believe that, and I pity you for it. You really have become the marxist you profess to hate. X|
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Oakman wrote:
I don't think we've heard the last of the outing of Valerie Plame.
On top on not being a covert agent ... i.e. THERE WAS NO CRIME ... she was "outed" by anti-Bush people (including her own self and her husband) ... and this was known from the beginning by the Special Prosecuror.
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Somehow this got buried by the *cough* liberal media *cough* Kucinich brings impeachment charges against Bush[^] Very little coverage, interesting turn of events. I still haven't seen or heard any followup.
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
you are outclassed
not hardly.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
"nah ah!" Nice comeback!
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IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Now be quiet when the men are talking, please.
Why, can't you hear us,sonny?
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Don't you have a war to not lose?
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What an utter waste of taxpayer's money that would be. There is no way they could possibly complete the proceeding's before Bush leaves office, and the rancor that this would cause can only come back to bite the Democrats this close to an election. Kucinich is an idiot...
Care to discuss the actual 35 articles of impeachment or would you rather attack the messenger? (don't worry I already know the answer)
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I honestly doubt it. This has all been nothing but political gamesmanship from the very beginning. The Democrats know full well that Bush and Co. have not done anything that will stand up in court, and will not pursue charges once they are in power. The consequencies for thier own leadership would be too risky. Only a moron would actually believe that a course of action which has verifiably resulted in reduced terrorism should be brought to trial. But, hey, there is nothing I would love better than for the dems to do so.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
modified on Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:10 PM
Stan Shannon wrote:
The Democrats know full well that Bush and Co. have not done anything that will stand up in court, and will not pursue charges once they are in power.
Oh yes we will. Once the justice-obstructing Bush administration is out of the white house, you 29%ers get to watch while we flay your political party alive. You can tell by the way you're talking, you already know we're going to have a Democrat for president. He wouldn't be representing the people if he didn't at least get some answers. I predict at least three suicides.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The Democrats know full well that Bush and Co. have not done anything that will stand up in court, and will not pursue charges once they are in power.
Oh yes we will. Once the justice-obstructing Bush administration is out of the white house, you 29%ers get to watch while we flay your political party alive. You can tell by the way you're talking, you already know we're going to have a Democrat for president. He wouldn't be representing the people if he didn't at least get some answers. I predict at least three suicides.
IamChrisMcCall wrote:
Oh yes we will. Once the justice-obstructing Bush administration is out of the white house, you 29%ers get to watch while we flay your political party alive. You can tell by the way you're talking, you already know we're going to have a Democrat for president. He wouldn't be representing the people if he didn't at least get some answers.
That is precisely what I'm hoping for. First, , Iraq or no Iraq, the republicans deserve it and, second, the democrats will not be able to control their true Marxist core, they will be exposed for what they truly are. All you will accomplish is killing off the faux-conservatives among the republicans as well as exposing the country to great harm while leaving yourselves no room to effectively deal with the problems. Enjoy that 70% while you have it, they won't be yours for long.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.