Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" [modified]
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Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].
modified on Sunday, July 6, 2008 2:17 AM
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Storm in a gold fish bowl.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Storm in a gold fish bowl.
If it is, it's not in any way that the likes of you would mean. Or, for that matter, likely "understand" (we have to write it as "understand," because, of course, you pretend-atheist Zombies can't actually have minds, and so you can't actually understand).
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Storm in a gold fish bowl.
If it is, it's not in any way that the likes of you would mean. Or, for that matter, likely "understand" (we have to write it as "understand," because, of course, you pretend-atheist Zombies can't actually have minds, and so you can't actually understand).
And yet, you don't understand C++. That ought to be a simple thing for you, oh so mighty one.
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Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].
modified on Sunday, July 6, 2008 2:17 AM
So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.
I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.
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And yet, you don't understand C++. That ought to be a simple thing for you, oh so mighty one.
Who said anything about not (not being able to) understanding C++? I don't *like* it: it's ugly and therefore I refuse to spend anymore time with it than I absolutely must. I refuse to *know* C++. You refuse to *know* the vacuity of your world-view, which you don't even actually believe to be true, in the first place. Which of us is really the worse off?
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So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.
I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.
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Who said anything about not (not being able to) understanding C++? I don't *like* it: it's ugly and therefore I refuse to spend anymore time with it than I absolutely must. I refuse to *know* C++. You refuse to *know* the vacuity of your world-view, which you don't even actually believe to be true, in the first place. Which of us is really the worse off?
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the Leper Messiah ?
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.
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So, plagiarism isn't a modern concept. Interesting.
I'm the ocean. I'm a giant undertow.
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Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc -- NYT: Tablet Ignites Debate on Messiah and Resurrection[^] Ben Witherington blogs on this: The Death and Resurrection of Messiah--- written in stone[^].
modified on Sunday, July 6, 2008 2:17 AM
Ilíon wrote:
Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc --
It actually lends a little credence to typical Christian beliefs that there were prophecies that were a part of some Jewish traditions at the time that predicted a Jesus character. In fact, there are at least a few references in the New Testament that flatly claim that Jesus is a fulfillment of these prophecies. To my somewhat limited knowledge, there was never a scholarly disagreement that there were not such messianic prophecies in Jewish sects at the time. Any disagreement was most likely how well these prophecies aligned with what is typically part of Christian theology then and now, not with their outright existence. Of course, it cannot lend credence either way (pro or con) to the accuracy of whether or not Jesus was God/Messiah/etc... But it is always interesting to see things in long-established holy texts get backed by some bit of archeological investigation.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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Master of puppets is my favourite album of all time. I believe there's a christian version, it's called pastor of muppets.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.
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Master of puppets is my favourite album of all time. I believe there's a christian version, it's called pastor of muppets.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.
Christian Graus wrote:
it's called pastor of muppets.
Ah deh doo deh doo dey Und fereely I sey untu yuoo, zee Lurd Gud Jehufeh veell streeke-a yuoo deed iff yuoo du nut boo doon und vursheep Illeeun! reeght Cunsoolela? deh doo deh doo dey dey.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Master of puppets is my favourite album of all time. I believe there's a christian version, it's called pastor of muppets.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you. If you're still stuck, ask me for more information.
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Ilíon wrote:
Issues Related to "the Suffering Messiah" (Christian vs Jewish understandings of Isaiah 53), paganism, assertions of Christianity being merely paganistic-syncretism, etc --
It actually lends a little credence to typical Christian beliefs that there were prophecies that were a part of some Jewish traditions at the time that predicted a Jesus character. In fact, there are at least a few references in the New Testament that flatly claim that Jesus is a fulfillment of these prophecies. To my somewhat limited knowledge, there was never a scholarly disagreement that there were not such messianic prophecies in Jewish sects at the time. Any disagreement was most likely how well these prophecies aligned with what is typically part of Christian theology then and now, not with their outright existence. Of course, it cannot lend credence either way (pro or con) to the accuracy of whether or not Jesus was God/Messiah/etc... But it is always interesting to see things in long-established holy texts get backed by some bit of archeological investigation.
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
Russell Morris wrote:
To my somewhat limited knowledge, there was never a scholarly disagreement ...
I believe the case is otherwise, but it isn't important enough to me to pursue it.
Russell Morris wrote:
Of course, it cannot lend credence either way (pro or con) to the accuracy of whether or not Jesus was God/Messiah/etc... But it is always interesting to see things in long-established holy texts get backed by some bit of archeological investigation.
Of course.
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