Well, what do you know? "International law" "solves" a serious problem!
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Ilíon wrote:
Euroweenies
Dickhead - Makeup of the ICC[^]
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
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One of the things that really should happen, though I doubt it will, is that Europeans ought to stop fancying themselves to be experts on the United States of America, a country that is larger than all of western Europe and yet speaks one language, has one currency, and one flag. You all certainly have enough problems at home, from resurgent NAZI-ism to a Muslim invasion as great as that fought off by El Cid, that uninformed and prejudiced advice from you will never be pertinent or useful. Figure out what you are going to do with your Union which seems to be in terrible disarray, before advising us on our which has existed with only one, admittedly terrible, war between its members in the last two hundred years.
jhwurmbach wrote:
I am really glad about the universal human rights being undividable.
The only absolute human right is to die rather than submit. All the rest are negotiable.
jhwurmbach wrote:
And your statement makes clear how the US Constitution's rights are falling grossly short of the French ones only a few years later.
Thats the constitution that lead to the Emperor Napolean? ROFL
jhwurmbach wrote:
How does this affect what *you* should do to them? *YOU* did claim bringing peace and democracy.
Perhaps the French & Germans should have helped put an end to Hussein. Then they might have at least a moral right to complain about what replaced him. But, as long as he was providing oil under the table, *YOU* turned a blind eye, accepting the deaths and suffering of thousands of Iraqis as the price for keeping the Auobahn humming.
jhwurmbach wrote:
Actually I was talking about the mothers of the American, British, Canadian, Polish and whatever soldiers dying in a probably senseless, but at least dishonest War.
Frankly, I doubt you give a shit about the mothers or the dead troops. They are, for you, merely statistics to be made into a club, not sacrifices to be honored.
jhwurmbach wrote:
Like vietnam was not.
You seem even more ignorant of Vietnam than you are of how the US works - and just as likely to offer your opinion up as if you knew what you were talking about.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
One of the things that really should happen, though I doubt it will, is that Europeans ought to stop fancying themselves to be experts on the United States of America, a country that is larger than all of western Europe and yet speaks one language, has one currency, and one flag.
Yet this federation of (semi-)independent states is the model politicians use for the formation of the EU.
Oakman wrote:
Figure out what you are going to do with your Union which seems to be in terrible disarray, before advising us on our which has existed with only one, admittedly terrible, war between its members in the last two hundred years.
I would like to do that, but you have a habit of mixing in other states inner affairs. Be it openly like in Iraq, Sudan, Somalia. Be it secretly as with Project Echelon and others. You are cherrypicking with your isolationism here...
Oakman wrote:
The only absolute human right is to die rather than submit. All the rest are negotiable.
So you are arguing that "Kill before you get killed!" is a viable way of upholding a technological society? :~
Oakman wrote:
constitution
I was referring to he difference between (US) citizens right and (revolutionary french) human rights.
Oakman wrote:
Perhaps the French & Germans should have helped put an end to Hussein.
Why? We did not for the same reason we did not helped put end end to GWB. You do not have to like the opression of the Iraqi (and Kuwaiti!) people by his dictatorship to argue that that is not the business of another state.
Oakman wrote:
But, as long as he was providing oil under the table,
It seemed to be the other way 'round: When he stoped to reliably deliver oil to the US, you did try to replace him. And I am glad my country had the guts to stay aside.
Oakman wrote:
Frankly, I doubt you give a sh*t about the mothers or the dead troops.
Actually, I am of a generation that is grown up with grandparents wanting to tell about war, and about loosing husbands and sons in war, but we had no actual war ourself. The Yugoslavian crisis was well after my army time. And it was illegal for the
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Just haven't forgiven us for making you admit the Emperor wasn't divine, have you? Being that you are so against propped up regimes, I bet you'd like the U.S. to tell China and North Korea that we will no longer protect Japan if they decide it's pay-back time. Or isn't that the propping up you were talking about?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
the U.S. to tell China and North Korea that we will no longer protect Japan
This patronizing attitude is why you are not as welcome abroad as you seem to expect (and to deserve, as individuals). That is the same attitude which drives young, enthusiastic and extremly religious people to try out the one dozen virgins.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
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Oakman wrote:
the U.S. to tell China and North Korea that we will no longer protect Japan
This patronizing attitude is why you are not as welcome abroad as you seem to expect (and to deserve, as individuals). That is the same attitude which drives young, enthusiastic and extremly religious people to try out the one dozen virgins.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" -
jhwurmbach wrote:
This patronizing attitude is why you are not as welcome abroad as you seem to expect
Ah yes, Germany and Japan two countries filled with amnesiacs.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I am, and expect to, be reminded of the nazi-evil my grandparents did not dare to stop on every voyage I do. Be it the remains of bunkers in western France or at the north sea coast, any number of war museums, memorial statues in every smallish village in Germany, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Austria, Czechia, Poland or wherever. Also I was grown up with an amount of hatred towards our nationality, I doubt you as an american can even imagine. No, I am certainly not an amnesiac. You did a lot to help us out. And due to you help virtually all Germans today are firmly rooted in western ("Califonication!") culture. But does this deny me criticism on the US-Politics of today? I don't think so.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" -
Oakman wrote:
One of the things that really should happen, though I doubt it will, is that Europeans ought to stop fancying themselves to be experts on the United States of America, a country that is larger than all of western Europe and yet speaks one language, has one currency, and one flag.
Yet this federation of (semi-)independent states is the model politicians use for the formation of the EU.
Oakman wrote:
Figure out what you are going to do with your Union which seems to be in terrible disarray, before advising us on our which has existed with only one, admittedly terrible, war between its members in the last two hundred years.
I would like to do that, but you have a habit of mixing in other states inner affairs. Be it openly like in Iraq, Sudan, Somalia. Be it secretly as with Project Echelon and others. You are cherrypicking with your isolationism here...
Oakman wrote:
The only absolute human right is to die rather than submit. All the rest are negotiable.
So you are arguing that "Kill before you get killed!" is a viable way of upholding a technological society? :~
Oakman wrote:
constitution
I was referring to he difference between (US) citizens right and (revolutionary french) human rights.
Oakman wrote:
Perhaps the French & Germans should have helped put an end to Hussein.
Why? We did not for the same reason we did not helped put end end to GWB. You do not have to like the opression of the Iraqi (and Kuwaiti!) people by his dictatorship to argue that that is not the business of another state.
Oakman wrote:
But, as long as he was providing oil under the table,
It seemed to be the other way 'round: When he stoped to reliably deliver oil to the US, you did try to replace him. And I am glad my country had the guts to stay aside.
Oakman wrote:
Frankly, I doubt you give a sh*t about the mothers or the dead troops.
Actually, I am of a generation that is grown up with grandparents wanting to tell about war, and about loosing husbands and sons in war, but we had no actual war ourself. The Yugoslavian crisis was well after my army time. And it was illegal for the
jhwurmbach wrote:
Yet this federation of (semi-)independent states is the model politicians use for the formation of the EU.
And the result proves you folks really haven't got a clue when it comes to the U.S. The E.U. resembles the U.S. about as much as a rabbit does an elephant.
jhwurmbach wrote:
You are cherrypicking with your isolationism here...
Not at all. I didn't tell you not to come try to conquer us - oh wait, you tried that and it didn't work out so well, did it? And whether you realise it or not, Germany and France both pay lots and lots of Euros to lobbyists specifically so they have a voice in U.S. Affairs.
jhwurmbach wrote:
So you are arguing that "Kill before you get killed!" is a viable way of upholding a technological society?
I was talking about the right to refuse to surrender. To say, with ee cummings, "there is some shit I will not eat." I'm not sure how you got to the bs above.
jhwurmbach wrote:
And I am glad my country had the guts to stay aside.
Yeah. Guts. Right. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
jhwurmbach wrote:
The Yugoslavian crisis was well after my army time. And it was illegal for the German army anyway, as the constitution forbids use of the army save for defensive purposes.
Which explains why the French are running the EU
jhwurmbach wrote:
About vietnam, having been in a swampy hole in the jungle does not get you any bonus when it comes to geopolitics.
Never said it did, but it sure helps me spot a bullshitter when one starts talking about Vietnam.
jhwurmbach wrote:
You got some experience I am lacking
You have never said anything truer in your life. Indeed, I suspect I had more experience and more wisdom than you, when I was your age.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I am, and expect to, be reminded of the nazi-evil my grandparents did not dare to stop on every voyage I do. Be it the remains of bunkers in western France or at the north sea coast, any number of war museums, memorial statues in every smallish village in Germany, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Austria, Czechia, Poland or wherever. Also I was grown up with an amount of hatred towards our nationality, I doubt you as an american can even imagine. No, I am certainly not an amnesiac. You did a lot to help us out. And due to you help virtually all Germans today are firmly rooted in western ("Califonication!") culture. But does this deny me criticism on the US-Politics of today? I don't think so.
Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"jhwurmbach wrote:
But does this deny me criticism on the US-Politics of today? I don't think so.
Of course not. It's your lack of knowledge that should shut you up. Right now you sound like a 9 year old virgin thinking she can write a sex manual.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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jhwurmbach wrote:
So, the american way like lying to the american people ("weapons of mass destruction"),
Also a British, French, German and even Iraqi lie, I guess, since all those countries were on record in 2002 that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
jhwurmbach wrote:
suspending habeas corpus (Guantanamo)
No, there never has been habeas corpus for enemy aliens. Can't suspend what never existed.
jhwurmbach wrote:
humilating the subjugated populace (Abu Ghureid)
Have you taken a look at what the "subjugated populace" likes to do to each other?
jhwurmbach wrote:
Tell that the families of the humans killed in Iraq.
You are, talking, I presume, about the thousands and thousands of Iraqis killed by other Iraqis. The only question I have is do you mean the tens of thousands before we invaded or the tens of thousands we have been unable to prevent since we invaded?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction..... donald rumsfeld sold them to him .....
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." -Albert Einstein
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Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction..... donald rumsfeld sold them to him .....
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction." -Albert Einstein
DownUnderDev wrote:
donald rumsfeld sold them to him
You're absolutely right. We're also the guys that engineered Osama's takeover in Afghanistan. Now, Having gone back twenty-five years or more to assign blame, just to make you happy, WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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DownUnderDev wrote:
donald rumsfeld sold them to him
You're absolutely right. We're also the guys that engineered Osama's takeover in Afghanistan. Now, Having gone back twenty-five years or more to assign blame, just to make you happy, WHAT THE FUCK SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface