Are you smarter than a 17-year-old?
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Yes I got the first five correct. But number 6, I had no idea. We read a lot of world literature and less American. I never read Walt Whitman.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
All but #6, which I had not the foggiest idea about :-O
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I answered them all correctly. It is my opinion that education in the US is in a sorry state. It has been dumbed-down to the lowest common denominator. My children aren't getting the same education I received. I work with college and high school students in a summer intern program...I have seen the deficiency in them. It really is sad.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Me blog, You read
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Like most, 1 - 5, didn't ave a clue on 6.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Teachers spend a significant amount of time: Teaching a politically correct version of American History. Teaching why it is okay for Sally to have two mothers. Not harming Johnny's self esteem. Passing the lil fuckers because it looks silly when they can no longer fit their legs under a desk.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Are you surprised that in June 2004 when Achieve, Inc., a bipartisan, nonprofit education organization formed by governors and prominent business leaders, found that math and English tests for high school diplomas require only middle school knowledge, and that those math graduation tests measure only what students in other countries learn in the seventh grade? Are you surprised that 2000 mathematicians and scientists, including four Nobel Prize recipients and two winners of a prestigious math prize, the Fields Medal, deplore math teaching methods saying they are 'horrifyingly short on basics' Are you surprised that in February 2005 a report stated that China produced 4 times more BS engineering degrees than the U.S., and Japan twice as many. Nobel Prize-winning scientist R.E.Smalley of Rice University reported "by 2010, 90% of all Ph.D. physical scientists and engineers in the world will be Asian living in Asia." The International Math & Science Study reported U.S. 12th graders were out-performed by 90% of other nations in math and 76% in science. In advanced math the US was out performed by 94% and in science by 100% of other nations. The American Association for the Advancement of Science reported 90% of math books and 100% of science text books are unacceptable. Are you suprised that the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reported in 2005 that the testing of 300,000 students nation-wide showed that 82% of 12th grade students were not proficient in math and science - - even worse than 10 years earlier. 73% of 4th graders failed to gain proficiency scores. 8th graders showed no improvement in the past 10 years. Are you surprised to learn that, in 2006, 65% of 12-graders were not proficient in reading, a worse result than 1992 when the test was initiated. Are you surprised that the president of the American Association of Physics Teachers and his review committee say, 'none of the 12 textbooks used by 85% of middle school students have an acceptable level of accuracy' - - and that 'honors high school texts are no more difficult than an eighth grade reader was before World War II.'
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Are you surprised that in June 2004 when Achieve, Inc., a bipartisan, nonprofit education organization formed by governors and prominent business leaders, found that math and English tests for high school diplomas require only middle school knowledge, and that those math graduation tests measure only what students in other countries learn in the seventh grade? Are you surprised that 2000 mathematicians and scientists, including four Nobel Prize recipients and two winners of a prestigious math prize, the Fields Medal, deplore math teaching methods saying they are 'horrifyingly short on basics' Are you surprised that in February 2005 a report stated that China produced 4 times more BS engineering degrees than the U.S., and Japan twice as many. Nobel Prize-winning scientist R.E.Smalley of Rice University reported "by 2010, 90% of all Ph.D. physical scientists and engineers in the world will be Asian living in Asia." The International Math & Science Study reported U.S. 12th graders were out-performed by 90% of other nations in math and 76% in science. In advanced math the US was out performed by 94% and in science by 100% of other nations. The American Association for the Advancement of Science reported 90% of math books and 100% of science text books are unacceptable. Are you suprised that the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reported in 2005 that the testing of 300,000 students nation-wide showed that 82% of 12th grade students were not proficient in math and science - - even worse than 10 years earlier. 73% of 4th graders failed to gain proficiency scores. 8th graders showed no improvement in the past 10 years. Are you surprised to learn that, in 2006, 65% of 12-graders were not proficient in reading, a worse result than 1992 when the test was initiated. Are you surprised that the president of the American Association of Physics Teachers and his review committee say, 'none of the 12 textbooks used by 85% of middle school students have an acceptable level of accuracy' - - and that 'honors high school texts are no more difficult than an eighth grade reader was before World War II.'
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Are you surprised
Nope
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Me blog, You read
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I would agree that the US school system is in a sorry state. Ours is not much better. The biggest issue is not that kids don't know a random assortment of facts about historical dates. Far more concerning in that regard are the outright lies taught as history in the US ( if you go to university and study history, the first step in the US is to unlearn most of what you were told ). However, even that doesn't matter that much, much as I think it's important to know where you came from. As Mike said, it's the attitude of not being able to fail anyone ( we have this here, I have come up against it ), and the unwillingness to teach people to think for themselves, to expect failure as a possible outcome of lack of application, etc. And I got 5 out of 6 right, same as a lot of people here.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I would agree that the US school system is in a sorry state. Ours is not much better. The biggest issue is not that kids don't know a random assortment of facts about historical dates. Far more concerning in that regard are the outright lies taught as history in the US ( if you go to university and study history, the first step in the US is to unlearn most of what you were told ). However, even that doesn't matter that much, much as I think it's important to know where you came from. As Mike said, it's the attitude of not being able to fail anyone ( we have this here, I have come up against it ), and the unwillingness to teach people to think for themselves, to expect failure as a possible outcome of lack of application, etc. And I got 5 out of 6 right, same as a lot of people here.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
if you go to university and study history, the first step in the US is to unlearn most of what you were told
Gotta link?
No, my reference here is actual books made of paper. One such book is called 'lies my teacher told me', from memory. I believe that's the book that actually examined the history books used in high schools and gave example passages and explained what parts were actually true.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Meh. I got all 6. Brought it to my 18 y/o son (today is his birthday!) who is interning in the mechanical engineering office across the hall and he too got all 6.
Like I said, it depends on the 17 yo. If knowledge is valued in the home, then any kid is going to be knowledgable, despite the failings of the school system.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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No, my reference here is actual books made of paper. One such book is called 'lies my teacher told me', from memory. I believe that's the book that actually examined the history books used in high schools and gave example passages and explained what parts were actually true.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Like I said, it depends on the 17 yo. If knowledge is valued in the home, then any kid is going to be knowledgable, despite the failings of the school system.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Can you provide a couple examples of historical "lies" being taught? Keep in mind, I don't doubt you/them - I'm just curious where my historical "knowledge" falls.
Well, for starters, it was well known that the world was round when Columbus sailed. He was looking for gold. The main area that springs to mind is that Indians were a successful agrarian culture before the white man came, the image of war like Indians attacking settlers is the result of them being on the run because they were themselves under attack from folks who wanted their land. I'd imagine you'd know that, but it's not the image given in history books. In fact, the book published the section on Columbus from one history book and 90% of what was stated, was made up ( that is, stuff we plain don't know, not stuff that was outright lies ).
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Well, for starters, it was well known that the world was round when Columbus sailed. He was looking for gold. The main area that springs to mind is that Indians were a successful agrarian culture before the white man came, the image of war like Indians attacking settlers is the result of them being on the run because they were themselves under attack from folks who wanted their land. I'd imagine you'd know that, but it's not the image given in history books. In fact, the book published the section on Columbus from one history book and 90% of what was stated, was made up ( that is, stuff we plain don't know, not stuff that was outright lies ).
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.