Life After Death [modified]
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
There can be no reletavistic truth regardless of the context
Hence the error in his use of the word alluded to by me, but unless you are playing the role of English Teacher, there is no reason to ignore the spirit of his use of the word, even if the damn letter is wrong. His whole piece was rank with suggestion of an currently unknowable objective reality after death, and how to best prepare for whatever that reality collapses into being when its time comes.
If it had been one instance or one word I would have let it go for sure but it wasn't.
Brady Kelly wrote:
His whole piece was rank with suggestion of an currently unknowable objective reality after death
Which is fine until he contradicts himself by resorting to reletavism thus undermining what he's been saying.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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If it had been one instance or one word I would have let it go for sure but it wasn't.
Brady Kelly wrote:
His whole piece was rank with suggestion of an currently unknowable objective reality after death
Which is fine until he contradicts himself by resorting to reletavism thus undermining what he's been saying.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
It was, according to your testimony, one word, 'truth'. To me, the very fact that he acknowledges that what happens immediately after his death is not at all subject to his control, but only that he may influence how he experiences his afterlife, states quite clearly that he believes that, if it exists, his afterlife is an objective reality.
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Hardly, I haven't accused anyone of lying yet, or called you an idiot or me a Euroweenie :laugh: If I seem a little excersized about the content that was posted it is mostly out of frustrated disappointment that someone so clearly clever as the author is such a fool and even worse is not recognised as such but has his drivel promoted here. The particular kind of relativist broken thinking represented by the article is not just a matter of theoretical disagreement about a tertiary matter ( like much of the article ). The removal of the concept of objective reality as an axiom of civilized thinking is probably the single most dangerous degradation currently undermining our culture. It is a step beyond even what Orwell imagined; the ultimate pychological tool for diassociation. Those who 'think' this way are as controllable as sheep and as easy to blind side as a one eyed sloth because the moment they come under the slightest phychological pressure they merely 'choose to alter their reality' and thereby don't see what they don't want to and never have to deal with the awkward truth of the one and only reality we all live in. This insidious nonsense has left the majority of UK under 30's functionally insane, unable to accept inconvenient reality and unable to distinguish between truth and lies. Orwell is not just spinning in his grave but simultaneously doesn't have one, never existed, isn't dead, was somebody else etc etc.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Hardly, I haven't accused anyone of lying yet, or called you an idiot or me a Euroweenie
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
such a fool
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
controllable as sheep
Once you call people fools, you're playing in his ballpark. You may want to claim that you don't throw the same spitballs he does, but you set yourself to be written off as merely an irritant.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
This insidious nonsense has left the majority of UK under 30's functionally insane
Functionally not, technically maybe. I'm sure the rest of us would hear more about the loony left, and the UK in general, if that many of her citizens were that mentally dysfunctional.
No, you hear less because of the vast numbers of people wandering through their lives in a daze believing so many blatantly contradictory things at once they they can barely function. Many of them find its just easiest to do whatever the TV and the magazines tell them. Then there's a whole strata of smart, professional, highly qualified people who come across like the author of the pice the OP linked to and just when you think you're dealing with somebody who can think, wham, black is white, up is down, in my reality the Earth is flat, all with a friendly smile for just as long as you don't contradict them. X|
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Hardly, I haven't accused anyone of lying yet, or called you an idiot or me a Euroweenie
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
such a fool
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
controllable as sheep
Once you call people fools, you're playing in his ballpark. You may want to claim that you don't throw the same spitballs he does, but you set yourself to be written off as merely an irritant.
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Oakman wrote:
you set yourself to be written off as merely an irritant.
Go on, you know you desparately want to :laugh:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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No, you hear less because of the vast numbers of people wandering through their lives in a daze believing so many blatantly contradictory things at once they they can barely function. Many of them find its just easiest to do whatever the TV and the magazines tell them. Then there's a whole strata of smart, professional, highly qualified people who come across like the author of the pice the OP linked to and just when you think you're dealing with somebody who can think, wham, black is white, up is down, in my reality the Earth is flat, all with a friendly smile for just as long as you don't contradict them. X|
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
in my reality the Earth is flat
Yes, and it's a Satanic conspiracy that we all believe it round. :laugh: In all honesty, I agree with you on one thing alone, and that the world isn't what we each make it to be. We are participants in a world shared, to a minimum degree, by all living people. Whether it is what we all, together, make it, or some other cause made it, is less important than the fact that there is more than just subjective reality.
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I'm not a religious person at all, however I respect other people's choices, so long as they don't preach to me about what is absolutely right and wrong. That pisses me off. I'm not driven to act a certain way because I think it will effect my afterlife. In short, I don't need a religious doctrine to tell me that I shouldn't be a dick or not commit murder.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent — it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills. . . ~ Robert A. Heinlein
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Everything he says is not meaningless.
No, it's not, but according to his own clearly evidenced belief system he must consider it to be meaningless. He clearly does not believe in a universal objective reality, without which his 'certainty' is nothing but abitrary self delusion and all communication is inherently meaningless because if any other individual can be assumed to have an independent existence it is not even in the same reality so their is no common frame of reference. I'm not hijacking this thread, merely commenting on how sad it is that someone who clearly wants to be 'useful' and is capable of extended logical thinking is utterly undermined by ridiculous false ideas like being able to 'choose your own truth' that he imports from postmodernism without justification or comment. I'm all for being honest about death but it's no good if you wont be honest about reality in the first place. His overall argument by the way is not new and was argued more coherently and concisely by for example C.S. Lewis many years ago.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
The point isn't that you can choose your own truth. In order to get at the truth you have to start off with the premise that there is no right answer. I don't know that he does not believe in a "universal objective reality". I'm not sure that reality is completely objective. For example, Muslims and Christians have a completely different view of reality. Neither of which is necessarily right or wrong, it is just what they believe. That being said, at least Christians don't kill people who don't agree. I don't see why you feel sad for the author. He seems to have found peace of mind.
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The point isn't that you can choose your own truth. In order to get at the truth you have to start off with the premise that there is no right answer. I don't know that he does not believe in a "universal objective reality". I'm not sure that reality is completely objective. For example, Muslims and Christians have a completely different view of reality. Neither of which is necessarily right or wrong, it is just what they believe. That being said, at least Christians don't kill people who don't agree. I don't see why you feel sad for the author. He seems to have found peace of mind.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
For example, Muslims and Christians have a completely different view of reality
Is that fact not a component of the objective reality; there is always a degree of subjective reality. In the mentally ill it just overshadows the perception of objective reality.
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http://www.stevepavlina.com/articles/life-after-death.htm[^] Living to expand your consciousness... Sounds like a plan. I like how he sees the physical as dust animated with consciousness. Also how he states that doubt can never lead to certainty, only more doubt. It amazes me how much bullshit exists in our everyday lives because people do not honestly face our own mortality.
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A bright white light?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. Me blog, You read
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You don't really know how your behavior will affect what happens when you die. You might believe in a Christian after life, but you still don't understand what part of you makes up a soul or how it will exist for eternity. Your physical self does not move on when you die, that is for certain. So how is it that you can be in hell or heaven. What form do you believe your soul takes? How does you soul interact with other souls? Do you communicate in English? You won't have a throat to make a sound... I think the point here is to try and develop your consciousness and think about things keeping in mind that all which is physical is ephemeral.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I think the point here is to try and develop your consciousness and think about things keeping in mind that all which is physical is ephemeral.
I think the point is that he's reworded Pascal's wager and is trying to make a quick buck from it.
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I think the point here is to try and develop your consciousness and think about things keeping in mind that all which is physical is ephemeral.
I think the point is that he's reworded Pascal's wager and is trying to make a quick buck from it.
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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I'm just trying to expand my mind and help us figure out why people exist and what happens when we die. Everything he says is not meaningless. Pleas don't hijack this thread with your agenda.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Pleas don't hijack this thread with your agenda.
You post that article here and you expected the nut cases wouldn't come out of the woodwork in droves? :doh:
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I'm not hijacking this thread, merely commenting on how sad it is that someone who clearly wants to be 'useful' and is capable of extended logical thinking is utterly undermined by ridiculous false ideas
Matthew, you sound just like Ilion.
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Well of course he does. He's a religious fanatic.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Pleas don't hijack this thread with your agenda.
You post that article here and you expected the nut cases wouldn't come out of the woodwork in droves? :doh:
If you don't have the data, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
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Tim Craig wrote:
I think the point is that he's reworded Pascal's wager and is trying to make a quick buck from it.
exactly what I was thinking
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Hardly, I haven't accused anyone of lying yet, or called you an idiot or me a Euroweenie :laugh: If I seem a little excersized about the content that was posted it is mostly out of frustrated disappointment that someone so clearly clever as the author is such a fool and even worse is not recognised as such but has his drivel promoted here. The particular kind of relativist broken thinking represented by the article is not just a matter of theoretical disagreement about a tertiary matter ( like much of the article ). The removal of the concept of objective reality as an axiom of civilized thinking is probably the single most dangerous degradation currently undermining our culture. It is a step beyond even what Orwell imagined; the ultimate pychological tool for diassociation. Those who 'think' this way are as controllable as sheep and as easy to blind side as a one eyed sloth because the moment they come under the slightest phychological pressure they merely 'choose to alter their reality' and thereby don't see what they don't want to and never have to deal with the awkward truth of the one and only reality we all live in. This insidious nonsense has left the majority of UK under 30's functionally insane, unable to accept inconvenient reality and unable to distinguish between truth and lies. Orwell is not just spinning in his grave but simultaneously doesn't have one, never existed, isn't dead, was somebody else etc etc.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
the concept of objective reality
Is an illusion at best, when one realizes that the void between the atoms of the stuff we perceive as solid is orders of magnitude greater than the size of the "solid" parts... and that the Universe is larger than we will ever be able to perceive.
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Tim Craig wrote:
nut cases wouldn't come out of the woodwork in droves
I drove a Ford Ranger, does that count?:~
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