Spontaeous Building Implosion
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Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Frankly who would believe it?
No one, including any of the engineers at US NIST. The report recently issued makes it clear that fires, ignited by the flaming debris from the Twin Towers, caused thermal expansion of steel beams. When the beams expanded, they pushed supportive beams and damaged flooring surrounding columns. Finally one beam buckled triggering the pancaked collapse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Yes, why bother with the mundane (and believable) explanation when the conspiracy theory is so much more fun!
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Frankly who would believe it?
No one, including any of the engineers at US NIST. The report recently issued makes it clear that fires, ignited by the flaming debris from the Twin Towers, caused thermal expansion of steel beams. When the beams expanded, they pushed supportive beams and damaged flooring surrounding columns. Finally one beam buckled triggering the pancaked collapse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
triggering the pancaked collapse.
Which did not occur. Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time and could not have occured symetrically in an asymetrically reinforced building with asymetrical fires. Even without the unexplained molten metal and eye witness testimonies of multiple eplosions and a demolition countdown this would be a pathetically inadequate explanation. Albeit that they had next to no physical evidence to go on as the crime scene was cleared without forensic examination.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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So in the US NIST has finally released its report on why World Trade Center building 7 collapsed into its own footprint in around 7 seconds on the afternoon of Sept 11 2001. Thermal expansion hey, who would have thunk it. Frankly who would believe it? :suss:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Well clearly there are still some 1 voting dupes out there very keen to rewrite the laws of physics in the interest of believing what their governers tell them. Well it's OK you've done you unpatriotic duty now and can go back to watching daytime TV. :zzz: :rolleyes:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Oakman wrote:
triggering the pancaked collapse.
Which did not occur. Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time and could not have occured symetrically in an asymetrically reinforced building with asymetrical fires. Even without the unexplained molten metal and eye witness testimonies of multiple eplosions and a demolition countdown this would be a pathetically inadequate explanation. Albeit that they had next to no physical evidence to go on as the crime scene was cleared without forensic examination.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Well clearly there are still some 1 voting dupes out there very keen to rewrite the laws of physics in the interest of believing what their governers tell them. Well it's OK you've done you unpatriotic duty now and can go back to watching daytime TV. :zzz: :rolleyes:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Oakman wrote:
triggering the pancaked collapse.
Which did not occur. Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time and could not have occured symetrically in an asymetrically reinforced building with asymetrical fires. Even without the unexplained molten metal and eye witness testimonies of multiple eplosions and a demolition countdown this would be a pathetically inadequate explanation. Albeit that they had next to no physical evidence to go on as the crime scene was cleared without forensic examination.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time
I dunno, 9.8 m/s^2 with momentum seems to go a long way towards explaining the collapse time. A lot more plausible than to assume the government orchestrated the hijackings in tandem with wired explosives for the purpose of... knocking over Afghanistan?
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Your aluminum beanie is slipping.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I'll take that as a compliment. ;P
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time
I dunno, 9.8 m/s^2 with momentum seems to go a long way towards explaining the collapse time. A lot more plausible than to assume the government orchestrated the hijackings in tandem with wired explosives for the purpose of... knocking over Afghanistan?
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BoneSoft wrote:
9.8 m/s^2 with momentum seems to go a long way towards explaining the collapse time.
You might have noticed that things fall with that accelaration in a vacuum, they tend to fall a teenie bit more slowly through concrete and steel. By the way I'm not assuming anything, merely commenting that this ridiculous report is such a blatant white-wash that it adds fuel to the conspiracy fires rather than putting them out with a genuine honest investigation which addresses the evidence and explain it without resorting to hand waving, magic, unexplained phenomena and new physics.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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You just keep telling yourself that - or start taking your meds again.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I don't think an occassional vitamin supplement is going to make your state of denial any less obvious. That would take something a good deal stronger. :laugh:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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I don't think an occassional vitamin supplement is going to make your state of denial any less obvious. That would take something a good deal stronger. :laugh:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
Of course. This is a site for software developers after all, where many believe you aren't supposed to actually read the documentation. :laugh:
led mike
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I don't think an occassional vitamin supplement is going to make your state of denial any less obvious.
Geeze Matthew, as a putdown, that really sucked.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
as a putdown, that really sucked.
clap, clap, clap ...
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Oakman wrote:
triggering the pancaked collapse.
Which did not occur. Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow to match the observed collapse time and could not have occured symetrically in an asymetrically reinforced building with asymetrical fires. Even without the unexplained molten metal and eye witness testimonies of multiple eplosions and a demolition countdown this would be a pathetically inadequate explanation. Albeit that they had next to no physical evidence to go on as the crime scene was cleared without forensic examination.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Ruled out by the fact that pancaking would simply have been too slow
You've obviously never seen me making pancakes... :-\
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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BoneSoft wrote:
9.8 m/s^2 with momentum seems to go a long way towards explaining the collapse time.
You might have noticed that things fall with that accelaration in a vacuum, they tend to fall a teenie bit more slowly through concrete and steel. By the way I'm not assuming anything, merely commenting that this ridiculous report is such a blatant white-wash that it adds fuel to the conspiracy fires rather than putting them out with a genuine honest investigation which addresses the evidence and explain it without resorting to hand waving, magic, unexplained phenomena and new physics.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
without resorting to hand waving, magic, unexplained phenomena and new physics.
Where did they resort to that? Give specific examples citing the page number of the report and the exact mistake that these engineers made, if you please. Otherwise I'll just have to write you off as one more crank with no knowledge of physics who hasn't even bothered to read the report. Bah, who am I kidding. I've already written you off, but feel free to prove me wrong.
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So in the US NIST has finally released its report on why World Trade Center building 7 collapsed into its own footprint in around 7 seconds on the afternoon of Sept 11 2001. Thermal expansion hey, who would have thunk it. Frankly who would believe it? :suss:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Frankly who would believe it?
I'll buy it. Not because i have any particular knowledge of the subject (i don't), or because i have a good amount of faith in my Gov't (ditto)... I'll believe it because frankly there are more important things to worry about.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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Trollslayer wrote:
Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
Of course. This is a site for software developers after all, where many believe you aren't supposed to actually read the documentation. :laugh:
led mike
And as such, I would imagine it might be frequented by management as well. So there's likely a mix of irrational incompetents here too. Hmm, I wonder what Iliot's position is... We know he's not much of a programmer, unless I'm thinking of another irrational incompetent.
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BoneSoft wrote:
9.8 m/s^2 with momentum seems to go a long way towards explaining the collapse time.
You might have noticed that things fall with that accelaration in a vacuum, they tend to fall a teenie bit more slowly through concrete and steel. By the way I'm not assuming anything, merely commenting that this ridiculous report is such a blatant white-wash that it adds fuel to the conspiracy fires rather than putting them out with a genuine honest investigation which addresses the evidence and explain it without resorting to hand waving, magic, unexplained phenomena and new physics.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Ah well, to each his own. Maybe someday I'll be watching a documentary thinking, "wow, Matthew was right." Or maybe the world will end on Dec 21 2012 and we'll never know.
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Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
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Trollslayer wrote:
just jump to wild conclusions
:laugh::laugh::laugh: I don't need to. I remember watching the towers fall that day, and it was pretty obvious what was the cause.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Trollslayer wrote:
Shh - you aren't supposed to actually read the report, just jump to wild conclusions.
Of course. This is a site for software developers after all, where many believe you aren't supposed to actually read the documentation. :laugh:
led mike
led mike wrote:
you aren't supposed to actually read the documentation
Documentation? What documentation? :laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham