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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc... OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies). And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more than former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh? Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc... OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies). And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more than former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh? Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc...
Of course Obama's qualifications don't change based on McCain's pick for VP, but you are not wrong.
Diego Moita wrote:
OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies).
I don't think that's true - although his heroism speaks to his character and courage. Certainly being a war hero cannot be counted as disqualifying someone - except perhaps to some very fuzzy-brained liberals. However, McCain has been hailed as the first important US politician (of either party) to question Rumsfeld's competency and to urge that we put more boots on the ground if we expected to defeat Al Quaeda. Likewise he was able to respond immediately and with inside knowledge when the Georgian invasion began.
Diego Moita wrote:
And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more then former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh?
I couldn't agree more. It suggests to me that he's not fully in touch with reality.
Diego Moita wrote:
Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
She's pro-choice?
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Diego Moita wrote:
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc...
Of course Obama's qualifications don't change based on McCain's pick for VP, but you are not wrong.
Diego Moita wrote:
OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies).
I don't think that's true - although his heroism speaks to his character and courage. Certainly being a war hero cannot be counted as disqualifying someone - except perhaps to some very fuzzy-brained liberals. However, McCain has been hailed as the first important US politician (of either party) to question Rumsfeld's competency and to urge that we put more boots on the ground if we expected to defeat Al Quaeda. Likewise he was able to respond immediately and with inside knowledge when the Georgian invasion began.
Diego Moita wrote:
And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more then former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh?
I couldn't agree more. It suggests to me that he's not fully in touch with reality.
Diego Moita wrote:
Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
She's pro-choice?
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Oakman wrote:
It suggests to me that he's not fully in touch with reality.
and someone in the GOP is?!? ;P
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Let's see 2 years as governor vs 3 years in the US Senate.
McCain's VP The Sandpoint-born Palin was a surprise pick for many because she has served as Alaska's governor for just two years. Before that, she was a Wasilla, Alaska, city councilor from 1992 to 1996 (Population 6,715). Graduated from the UI in 1987 with a degree in journalism. VS Obama Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA Undergraduate, 1981-1983 Columbia University B.A. Political Science with specialization in international relations Thesis topic: Soviet nuclear disarmament Illinois Senate 1996-2004 chairman, Health and Human Services Committee United States Senate 2004-present Member, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman, Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs Member, Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Member, Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Member, Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP?
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Be that as it may, she has held an excutive position for two years, he has been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years.
jgasm wrote:
Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP
That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate.
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Be that as it may, she has held an excutive position for two years, he has been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years.
jgasm wrote:
Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP
That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate?
Uhhhhh yea....when the republican VP candidate sucks. that is a pretty large trump card. obviously it is not the whole point, but it is the point were discussing now. you cannot minimize the importance of the VP. especially when the republicans pick some gal from alaska who was governor or a state with how many people? 700,000 tops? I can see how she is qualified to now lead millions of people. after all, she was in charge of alaska for 2 years. i am sure she writes a very good news article too. obviously she should be the commander and chief....
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate?
Uhhhhh yea....when the republican VP candidate sucks. that is a pretty large trump card. obviously it is not the whole point, but it is the point were discussing now. you cannot minimize the importance of the VP. especially when the republicans pick some gal from alaska who was governor or a state with how many people? 700,000 tops? I can see how she is qualified to now lead millions of people. after all, she was in charge of alaska for 2 years. i am sure she writes a very good news article too. obviously she should be the commander and chief....
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Well look at you! You put down an entire state as insignificant and indirectly stated Obama doesn't have the experience to run the country all in the same breath.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Be that as it may, she has held an excutive position for two years, he has been in the U.S. Senate for 3 years.
jgasm wrote:
Should I compare Obama's VP to McCain's VP
That's really the whole point isn't it? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate?
And The Republican's trump card is? I think this choice speaks very poorly of McCain's judgment. From Karl Rove: The first rule of VP selection is "do no harm". This choice kills (or at least damages) the experience factor, drives off most independents, and offends the disaffected Hillary supporters (who weren't all women, and certainly weren't pro-life types.). It is no more than a transparent sop to the party's right wing, who still won't support McCain because they don't trust him.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
? When it comes to experience, the Democrat's trump card is their VP candidate?
And The Republican's trump card is? I think this choice speaks very poorly of McCain's judgment. From Karl Rove: The first rule of VP selection is "do no harm". This choice kills (or at least damages) the experience factor, drives off most independents, and offends the disaffected Hillary supporters (who weren't all women, and certainly weren't pro-life types.). It is no more than a transparent sop to the party's right wing, who still won't support McCain because they don't trust him.
I don't think McCain made the right choice either, but it has nothing to do with experience.
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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
Nope. Stupidest thing he could have done, IMO. Palin is a committed right-to-life candidate (her main qualification to get picked). She represents a move to the right for McCain, at a time when he should have moved to the center. That choice will cost him the election, because the right wing base still won't show up at the polls for him, but Palin will put off independents , Hillary Democrats, and centrists. It will certainty cost McCain my vote, since it says the only issue he and the Republicans care about is abortion, and that at the expense of everything else. Obama is right, McCain only offers 4 more years of the Bush mindset. At this point I'm done with the GOP. Guess all that remains is the Libertarians...
Rob Graham wrote:
since it says
You didn't need to wait for this VP pick to know his position on abortion. He has always been a hard core 'pro-life' Republican.
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I don't think McCain made the right choice either, but it has nothing to do with experience.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I don't think McCain made the right choice either, but it has nothing to do with experience.
So, what does it have to do with (actually I largely agree, - there might be other inexperienced choices that would have been brilliant)? To me the significant issue is that it displays poor judgment or poor advice not rejected (same as poor judgment). It also suggests some discouraging things about the lengths McCain is willing to go to t appease his supposed "base".
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Rob Graham wrote:
since it says
You didn't need to wait for this VP pick to know his position on abortion. He has always been a hard core 'pro-life' Republican.
Of course. But it wasn't clear that that was the one and only issue that mattered to him. I frankly don't give a damn what the next president's position on abortion is. Given all the real problems we need to confront, that issue pales to insignificance. I'm VERY tired of electing Presidents just because of this one issue. It won't make one whit of difference, since the veto and filibuster proof congress will not be allowing any pro-life supremes for some time to come. That battle was lost in 2006, probably forever. For McCain and the GOP to continue focusing exclusively on that one issue is stupid and disqualifies them from leading.
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Kant wrote:
Could be smart move by McCain by choosing lady as Vice President candidate. (move to sway Hillary supporters)
This is getting interesting. The most common argument conservatives use against Obama is that he is an "empty suit", "no substance", "another Paris Hilton", etc, etc... OTH, the only thing the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero" (as if it somehow meant competence and sound policies). And now who they choose for VP? Someone whose career is little more than former miss Alaska and sports journalist. That's a way to show substance, eh? Why didn't they pick Paris Hilton, instead?
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
the Republicans seem to care about McCain is "he was a prisoner of war" and "a war hero"
McCain sure seem to think that. Q: Why don't you know how many homes you own? A: I was a prisoner of war... Q: You like ABBA? A: I was a prisoner of war... He and his surrogates constantly bring it up and often use it to deflect any criticism, no matter how unrelated to his service.
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Of course. But it wasn't clear that that was the one and only issue that mattered to him. I frankly don't give a damn what the next president's position on abortion is. Given all the real problems we need to confront, that issue pales to insignificance. I'm VERY tired of electing Presidents just because of this one issue. It won't make one whit of difference, since the veto and filibuster proof congress will not be allowing any pro-life supremes for some time to come. That battle was lost in 2006, probably forever. For McCain and the GOP to continue focusing exclusively on that one issue is stupid and disqualifies them from leading.
Rob Graham wrote:
But it wasn't clear that that was the one and only issue that mattered to him.
I don't see that it is signals that this is the only issue that matters to him. He routinely shows his interest in war with IraqIran, war with Korea, war with China and war with Russia.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I don't think McCain made the right choice either, but it has nothing to do with experience.
So, what does it have to do with (actually I largely agree, - there might be other inexperienced choices that would have been brilliant)? To me the significant issue is that it displays poor judgment or poor advice not rejected (same as poor judgment). It also suggests some discouraging things about the lengths McCain is willing to go to t appease his supposed "base".
I am not sure it was about appeasing the base. I wouldn't have chosen her, but neither does it make me mad enough to stay home. I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
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Rob Graham wrote:
But it wasn't clear that that was the one and only issue that mattered to him.
I don't see that it is signals that this is the only issue that matters to him. He routinely shows his interest in war with IraqIran, war with Korea, war with China and war with Russia.
And you, sir, are still drinking waaaay too much kool-aide.
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And you, sir, are still drinking waaaay too much kool-aide.
Clearly you don't know much about McCain.
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I am not sure it was about appeasing the base. I wouldn't have chosen her, but neither does it make me mad enough to stay home. I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
it is just too bad republicans have such a god awful pool of candidates to choose from. maybe that is saying something...
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I think he was trying to "play safe" by picking someone who will piss off the least.
it is just too bad republicans have such a god awful pool of candidates to choose from. maybe that is saying something...
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Clearly you don't know much about McCain.
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Yeah.. Either could be smart or desperate move. One thing for sure. McCain just lost the credibility for the 'experience' (given no experience for Palin) question that he posed for Obama.
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Kant wrote:
One thing for sure. McCain just lost the credibility for the 'experience'
Anybody that has honestly followed McCain's political path knows he had no creditability going into this election.
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