Extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds
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Stan Shannon wrote:
we conservatives own that.
God help the Conservatives if you are qualified to speak for them. As for Jefferson, I have used his own words to prove, time and again, that he was indeed a Libertarian. That you deny the validity of what he said shows only that that you would rather have your beliefs than learn the truth.
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Oakman wrote:
that he was indeed a Libertarian.
The government he helped create wasn't. Thats the only valid point.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
For the life of me, I cannot comprehend why you view her church as a threat, but Obama's isn't...
Because Obama's church is about race and politics and racial politics, whereas Palin's church is (presumably) about Christ.
Precisely. Zeppy and his ilk are more than happy with theocracy when it is there values being promoted by it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Best policy would have been to ignore her.
But Democrats *must* be Democrats. And barking moonbats *must* be barking moonbats. But I repeat myself.
Ilíon wrote:
And barking moonbats *must* be barking moonbats.
Speak for yourself. Oh, you were...
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Oakman wrote:
that he was indeed a Libertarian.
The government he helped create wasn't. Thats the only valid point.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
As I said: "That you deny the validity of what he said shows only that that you would rather have your beliefs than learn the truth."
Stan Shannon wrote:
The government he helped create wasn't. Thats the only valid point.
Q.E.D.
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Oakman wrote:
Georgia could be different, of course, but I'd bet against it.
All it takes is a 2-3% swing away from McCain in any direction. And Barr is a local favorite. I think Ron Paul drew well here too.
Oakman wrote:
he's a phoney libertarian anyway
Yeah, but i'd rather a phoney Libertarian than the other two alternatives., and the Constitution Party is just too Paleolithic...Where's old big-ears when we need him.
Rob Graham wrote:
Where's old big-ears when we need him.
Durring the RNC, I swear at first glance I thought Perot was sitting next to Palin's Mom. Her Dad looks a lot like him when you just get a glimpse.
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The most amazing part is the amount of energy the Democrats are wasting in attacking her. The Republicans have the Dems completely distracted into a pointless argument that they can only look foolish over. By obsessing over Palin, they are on their way to once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. 54 days to go...
Rob Graham wrote:
energy the Democrats are wasting in attacking her
It's because they don't really have a leg to stand on.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Ilíon wrote:
And barking moonbats *must* be barking moonbats.
Speak for yourself. Oh, you were...
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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So, no fear of theocracy there?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
So, no fear of theocracy there?
In Germany? Hardly.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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Sorry, I must have missed all the rage at American theocracies and all you posted in regard to Obama.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sorry, I must have missed all the rage at American theocracies and all you posted in regard to Obama.
While his denomination is rather obscure, I feel less bothered by him because he really isn't promoting religion as part of his campaign strategy. For example, I don't recall him having mentioned giving creationism equal time in the classroom. Additionally, his policies regarding scientific research (stem cells, etc...) are not guided by his religious beliefs. Because of that, I view him less of a theocrat than the two on the ticket for the Republican party. I wasn't impressed by the church he attended or the controversy surrounding his pastor.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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As I said: "That you deny the validity of what he said shows only that that you would rather have your beliefs than learn the truth."
Stan Shannon wrote:
The government he helped create wasn't. Thats the only valid point.
Q.E.D.
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Of course the real irony of your response is that you seem to think that Thomas Jefferson's beliefs (as interpreted by you, of course) are what we should all be compelled to live by. That we should find every letter the man ever dashed off to someone and create a shrine for it that we all worship at.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Sorry, I must have missed all the rage at American theocracies and all you posted in regard to Obama.
While his denomination is rather obscure, I feel less bothered by him because he really isn't promoting religion as part of his campaign strategy. For example, I don't recall him having mentioned giving creationism equal time in the classroom. Additionally, his policies regarding scientific research (stem cells, etc...) are not guided by his religious beliefs. Because of that, I view him less of a theocrat than the two on the ticket for the Republican party. I wasn't impressed by the church he attended or the controversy surrounding his pastor.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
73Zeppelin wrote:
mentioned giving creationism equal time in the classroom
Who's done that? I don't want that either.
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Of course the real irony of your response is that you seem to think that Thomas Jefferson's beliefs (as interpreted by you, of course) are what we should all be compelled to live by. That we should find every letter the man ever dashed off to someone and create a shrine for it that we all worship at.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course the real irony of your response is that you seem to think that Thomas Jefferson's beliefs
Don't be silly. Jefferson lived in a far simpler time. He could propose and live by simpler answers. On the other hand, you keep claiming that the role of the Supreme Court needs to be reduced back to what you believe it was in the days of John Adams.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That we should find every letter the man ever dashed off to someone and create a shrine for it that we all worship at.
Not at all. I simply enjoy the hell out of demonstrating how little you, a self-proclaimed 'Jeffersonian' actually know about the man. It is a matter of amusement to me - nothing important; nothing I can't live without but still enjoyable.
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Bullshit. Palin is in precisely the tradition of American politicians, Obama is not. He is the true theocrat in this race, not her.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
mentioned giving creationism equal time in the classroom
Who's done that? I don't want that either.
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The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Link.[^] Under pressure she later back-tracked.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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Precisely. Zeppy and his ilk are more than happy with theocracy when it is there values being promoted by it.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Precisely. Zeppy and his ilk are more than happy with theocracy when it is there values being promoted by it.
Not. Who are you? Sarah Shannon?
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Everything. I think evangelical style religion is a threat to societal progress based on history both ancient and modern. When God becomes an impetus for political decisions it is time to be afraid.
I think you are blurring two things that can be looked at separately. It is possible to believe in a God without belonging to any organized religion. Religions whether they are Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Evangelical or Zorastianism are man-made and pretty much by definition are focused on controlling behavior. After all, the more control they exert, the better their chief priests are paid. So, for me, it is not God or a belief in Him that is worrisome - it is the willingness to accept some other man's word for what God wants to see happen here on earth. In all fairness, I would argue that the likes of Billy Graham are a major step up from the Divine Right of Kings or the elevation of someone like Mao to god-like status.
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That's pretty much what the title of this thread was intended to encapsulate. When I start seeing comments under news stories about the new particle collider that suggest it is going against God's will and when stem cell research is banned based on religious tenets and creationism starts creeping into education debates, I get a little worried.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
So, no fear of theocracy there?
In Germany? Hardly.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Link.[^] Under pressure she later back-tracked.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
Well that's one mark against. Edit --> After reading the article, it doesn't sound quite that bad. It didn't sound to me like a back-track. It sounded more to me like she hasn't really considered it. Unlike many here (and I think you are included, but I don't mean to presume), I see a lot of benefit to religion. But it should stay in church. The Creationist movement is straight from the deepest bowels of LooneyVille. And to suggest that their agenda constitutes a scientific theory is beyond ridiculous. Intelligent Design sounded good to me, until you get beyond the title and find that they are equally looney. As a religious person with a brain, I think Galileo was right when he said that when scientific observation diverges from religious interpretation, it's time to reevaluate interpretations.
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Fascist dictatorship.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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That's pretty much what the title of this thread was intended to encapsulate. When I start seeing comments under news stories about the new particle collider that suggest it is going against God's will and when stem cell research is banned based on religious tenets and creationism starts creeping into education debates, I get a little worried.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
73Zeppelin wrote:
news stories about the new particle collider that suggest it is going against God's will
Hadn't heard that one. But I'm pretty sure that's not a widely held belief. I guess some people are just scared of knowledge.
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