Douglas Wilson: Rape and Incest Exceptions
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Nobody 'chose' it to be, it just turned out to be.
You might want to think a bit more about that statement.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Uhh, I think you'll find that a LOT of people understand it - it's an incredibly well-understood theory, overall.
More like a lot of people think they understand it.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
it's hard to argue with the bending of light, atomic clocks, particle accelerators etc.
No one is arguing that these things occur( or are at least observed ), but assuming that the first explanation of why must be be correct simply becuse it is an explanation isn't very scientific. How very applicable to evolution
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It also explains volcanoes, mountain ranges, earthquakes, continents, etc.
So does the 'angry mountain god' theory of the Crocodile men of Papua New Ginuea to their complete satisfaction, this does not make it right or wrong, that's a separate matter which is not dependent on how convenient the explanation is.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
nobody could possibly deny that cells exist.
Indeed and that is because they are a name given to an observation, not a theory of why and how it got that way from an unobserved state. To mistake the evidence of the former for proof of the later is seriously broken thinking.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
And it took them 31,500 generations to use this already well-established trait?
Giving clear evidence in just one experiment that the supposed evolution of higher species e.g. mammals is not merely improbably but ridiculously improbable.... 30,000generations * 25year average lifespan = 750000years to alter an enzyme or 2, probably back to a preexistant variant state broken by mutation. So to get a couple of thousand genes from scratch, at a guess..., oh whoops we just ran out years, better start redating those ice core samples using a ^4 scale exponential just isn't cutting it... :rolleyes: You're an intelligent young man who should be quite capabale of seeing through the Swiss cheese of evolution.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
You might want to think a bit more about that statement.
Really? I see no reason to. People were studying chemistry (in some form) long before atomic theory came along and explained HOW it happened, but does the making of atomic and molecular theory as the fundamental principle of chemistry qualify as a mistake?
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
More like a lot of people think they understand it.
Good argument. You're right, physicists are basically just clowning around pretending to have real jobs.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No one is arguing that these things occur( or are at least observed ), but assuming that the first explanation of why must be be correct simply becuse it is an explanation isn't very scientific.
Where are you pulling this treasure from? Are you completely blind to scientific method? These scientists aren't just going, "oh well, good enough". These have all been tests of relativity, and they have all fit in with it fantastically. Seems a pretty good reason to consider it a credible theory, seeing as how it just keeps on agreeing with reality.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
How very applicable to evolution
Gimme a break... :doh:
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
So does the 'angry mountain god' theory of the Crocodile men of Papua New Ginuea to their complete satisfaction, this does not make it right or wrong, that's a separate matter which is not dependent on how convenient the explanation is.
It explains it in a way that agrees with existing theories and data. It makes definite predictions about the future. It is also falsifiable. I think that qualifies it as a scientific theory.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Indeed and that is because they are a name given to an observation, not a theory of why and how it got that way from an unobserved state. To mistake the evidence of the former for proof of the later is seriously broken thinking.
Good thing then that cell theory isn't just a random name given to something completely opaque to research. Because then modern medicine wouldn't exist.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Giving clear evidence in just one experiment that the
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Ravel, you have to understand that Matthew is afraid of truth because his fragile worldview is built upon faith in the imaginary. Ironically, he is unwilling apply his so-called "criticisms" of science to his own faith and belief. It's rather pitiful because the more he tries to dispel known fact as fiction the more he looks ridiculous for he is undermining the premise of his own religious view. Anyways, he used to irritate me, now I feel sorry for him and don't pay much attention to him. I really wouldn't worry about how he thinks the world operates.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
Yeah, but I'm enjoying this! :)
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Nobody 'chose' it to be, it just turned out to be.
You might want to think a bit more about that statement.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Uhh, I think you'll find that a LOT of people understand it - it's an incredibly well-understood theory, overall.
More like a lot of people think they understand it.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
it's hard to argue with the bending of light, atomic clocks, particle accelerators etc.
No one is arguing that these things occur( or are at least observed ), but assuming that the first explanation of why must be be correct simply becuse it is an explanation isn't very scientific. How very applicable to evolution
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It also explains volcanoes, mountain ranges, earthquakes, continents, etc.
So does the 'angry mountain god' theory of the Crocodile men of Papua New Ginuea to their complete satisfaction, this does not make it right or wrong, that's a separate matter which is not dependent on how convenient the explanation is.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
nobody could possibly deny that cells exist.
Indeed and that is because they are a name given to an observation, not a theory of why and how it got that way from an unobserved state. To mistake the evidence of the former for proof of the later is seriously broken thinking.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
And it took them 31,500 generations to use this already well-established trait?
Giving clear evidence in just one experiment that the supposed evolution of higher species e.g. mammals is not merely improbably but ridiculously improbable.... 30,000generations * 25year average lifespan = 750000years to alter an enzyme or 2, probably back to a preexistant variant state broken by mutation. So to get a couple of thousand genes from scratch, at a guess..., oh whoops we just ran out years, better start redating those ice core samples using a ^4 scale exponential just isn't cutting it... :rolleyes: You're an intelligent young man who should be quite capabale of seeing through the Swiss cheese of evolution.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
30,000generations * 25year average lifespan = 750000years to alter an enzyme or 2, probably back to a preexistant variant state broken by mutation. So to get a couple of thousand genes from scratch, at a guess..., oh whoops we just ran out years, better start redating those ice core samples using a ^4 scale exponential just isn't cutting it... Roll eyes
i guess my degree in biochemistry didn't teach me right, i see now i should have enrolled in the Matthew Faithful School of Crap I was going to get into a big long argument and pick apart your bloody stupid statements (for example, it's nice that you know exactly where the Cit gene was in that E. Coli population that was *gasp* there all along and just decided to turn on because it was bored, so how about helping out and pointing out where it is on NCBI, genius), but frankly, anybody who listens to you on the subject of evolution deserves whatever misinformation they get.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
You might want to think a bit more about that statement.
Really? I see no reason to. People were studying chemistry (in some form) long before atomic theory came along and explained HOW it happened, but does the making of atomic and molecular theory as the fundamental principle of chemistry qualify as a mistake?
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
More like a lot of people think they understand it.
Good argument. You're right, physicists are basically just clowning around pretending to have real jobs.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No one is arguing that these things occur( or are at least observed ), but assuming that the first explanation of why must be be correct simply becuse it is an explanation isn't very scientific.
Where are you pulling this treasure from? Are you completely blind to scientific method? These scientists aren't just going, "oh well, good enough". These have all been tests of relativity, and they have all fit in with it fantastically. Seems a pretty good reason to consider it a credible theory, seeing as how it just keeps on agreeing with reality.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
How very applicable to evolution
Gimme a break... :doh:
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
So does the 'angry mountain god' theory of the Crocodile men of Papua New Ginuea to their complete satisfaction, this does not make it right or wrong, that's a separate matter which is not dependent on how convenient the explanation is.
It explains it in a way that agrees with existing theories and data. It makes definite predictions about the future. It is also falsifiable. I think that qualifies it as a scientific theory.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Indeed and that is because they are a name given to an observation, not a theory of why and how it got that way from an unobserved state. To mistake the evidence of the former for proof of the later is seriously broken thinking.
Good thing then that cell theory isn't just a random name given to something completely opaque to research. Because then modern medicine wouldn't exist.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Giving clear evidence in just one experiment that the
You're getting closer more or less.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
does the making of atomic and molecular theory as the fundamental principle of chemistry qualify as a mistake?
It would do if it's wrong, and would be highly sensible if it's right.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
These have all been tests of relativity, and they have all fit in with it fantastically. Seems a pretty good reason to consider it a credible theory, seeing as how it just keeps on agreeing with reality.
Good, you've got test number 1. Relativity is a good theory because it fits with all the evidence. It remains a theory but it's the best working model we have and hasn't been disproved yet, so we keep testing.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Good thing then that cell theory isn't just a random name given to something completely opaque to research. Because then modern medicine wouldn't exist.
Absolutely.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It explains it in a way that agrees with existing theories and data. It makes definite predictions about the future. It is also falsifiable. I think that qualifies it as a scientific theory.
Right on! Now apply the same test to evolution...
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
watertight theory
You are welcome to believe in such things but science accepts no such creature. Remember believing in Gryphons is sad, worshipping them is pitiable.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
it has been under intense scientific scrutiny for 150 years, and is still standing straight and tall.
No, it has wriggled squirmed, failed, fallen flat on its face, reinvented itself several times, been utterly discredited and evetually morphed into a faith based system of interpretting evidence and distorting the practice and structures of large areas of science. It has become the very thing its most strident evangelists claim to most despise.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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You're getting closer more or less.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
does the making of atomic and molecular theory as the fundamental principle of chemistry qualify as a mistake?
It would do if it's wrong, and would be highly sensible if it's right.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
These have all been tests of relativity, and they have all fit in with it fantastically. Seems a pretty good reason to consider it a credible theory, seeing as how it just keeps on agreeing with reality.
Good, you've got test number 1. Relativity is a good theory because it fits with all the evidence. It remains a theory but it's the best working model we have and hasn't been disproved yet, so we keep testing.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Good thing then that cell theory isn't just a random name given to something completely opaque to research. Because then modern medicine wouldn't exist.
Absolutely.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It explains it in a way that agrees with existing theories and data. It makes definite predictions about the future. It is also falsifiable. I think that qualifies it as a scientific theory.
Right on! Now apply the same test to evolution...
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
watertight theory
You are welcome to believe in such things but science accepts no such creature. Remember believing in Gryphons is sad, worshipping them is pitiable.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
it has been under intense scientific scrutiny for 150 years, and is still standing straight and tall.
No, it has wriggled squirmed, failed, fallen flat on its face, reinvented itself several times, been utterly discredited and evetually morphed into a faith based system of interpretting evidence and distorting the practice and structures of large areas of science. It has become the very thing its most strident evangelists claim to most despise.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No, it has wriggled squirmed, failed, fallen flat on its face, reinvented itself several times, been utterly discredited and evetually morphed into a faith based system of interpretting evidence and distorting the practice and structures of large areas of science. It has become the very thing its most strident evangelists claim to most despise.
*sigh* That's it, I'm going to bed. Screw this.
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Ravel, you have to understand that Matthew is afraid of truth because his fragile worldview is built upon faith in the imaginary. Ironically, he is unwilling apply his so-called "criticisms" of science to his own faith and belief. It's rather pitiful because the more he tries to dispel known fact as fiction the more he looks ridiculous for he is undermining the premise of his own religious view. Anyways, he used to irritate me, now I feel sorry for him and don't pay much attention to him. I really wouldn't worry about how he thinks the world operates.
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
Very poor Zep, you must be tired from all that credit cruching. Accusing me of being afraid is pretty thin, afraid of truth :rolleyes: :laugh:
73Zeppelin wrote:
he is undermining the premise of his own religious view
Which is in your enlightened opinion?
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Very poor Zep, you must be tired from all that credit cruching. Accusing me of being afraid is pretty thin, afraid of truth :rolleyes: :laugh:
73Zeppelin wrote:
he is undermining the premise of his own religious view
Which is in your enlightened opinion?
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Which is in your enlightened opinion?
Ever seen God Matty?
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No, it has wriggled squirmed, failed, fallen flat on its face, reinvented itself several times, been utterly discredited and evetually morphed into a faith based system of interpretting evidence and distorting the practice and structures of large areas of science. It has become the very thing its most strident evangelists claim to most despise.
*sigh* That's it, I'm going to bed. Screw this.
You're welcome. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
30,000generations * 25year average lifespan = 750000years to alter an enzyme or 2, probably back to a preexistant variant state broken by mutation. So to get a couple of thousand genes from scratch, at a guess..., oh whoops we just ran out years, better start redating those ice core samples using a ^4 scale exponential just isn't cutting it... Roll eyes
i guess my degree in biochemistry didn't teach me right, i see now i should have enrolled in the Matthew Faithful School of Crap I was going to get into a big long argument and pick apart your bloody stupid statements (for example, it's nice that you know exactly where the Cit gene was in that E. Coli population that was *gasp* there all along and just decided to turn on because it was bored, so how about helping out and pointing out where it is on NCBI, genius), but frankly, anybody who listens to you on the subject of evolution deserves whatever misinformation they get.
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Not quite the worst thing. In that case it's that you know exactly what you're talking about, it just isn't the truth. The more of these experiments the better, keep at it, keep disproving evolution as 'The Origin of Species', over and over and over again. Then when a subsequent generation wants to learn the truth they'll have lots of good data to look at. I love the
Fisticuffs wrote:
just decided to turn on because it was bored
quote by the way, a great explanation of so called 'evlotuionary' genetics. I wonder if there's a gradient in the boredom field you could use to knock a couple of zeros off the time it takes to evolve an inefficient bacterium from an efficient one, still would make any difference of course, billions of generations of E.Coli and yet it's still E.Coli, funny that. :doh:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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In the end, whatever this pastor thinks, a victim of a rape or incest will fly to a state where abortion is legal or worse abort in a dirty place endangering her own life. Law should not be made from theorical principles but should adapt to reality. This is the reason why religious opinions should not be taken into account.
___________________________________________________________ On the whole human beings want to be good, but not to good and not quite all the time - George Orwell
François Gasnier wrote:
Law should not be made from theorical principles
It also shouldn't be made from a non-legislative branch of government. One court looking at one case had no business making it legal for the entire country. Nobody is proposing making it illegal, but letting the States decide for themselves, as it should be.
François Gasnier wrote:
a victim of a rape or incest will fly to a state where abortion is legal or worse abort in a dirty place endangering her own life.
That would certainly cut down on the 99% of unnecessary abortions, whouldn't it.
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Some are and some aren't, just as for some evolution is a religion and for others just one, or rather several, scientific and pseudo scientific theories amongst many. For example those who claim that 'evolution has been proved' and there are surely many, clearly don't understand the process of science, logic, or in most cases which theory they're even talking about. Despite this their fervent belief is no less than the stereotype of a radical islamist, albeit that the results of their fanaticism are poor education, stalling scientific progress and a vast misapplication of resources, misunderstanding of the historical, geological and meterological records rather than people blowing themselves up. I'll leave others to work out which group will ultimately kill and cripple more people and cause more damage to society and humanity at large.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Umm... I don't believe there is a 'strength of belief' threshold that once beyond constitutes a religion... "Religion" has much better definitions. Evolution is not a religion to anybody.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I'll leave others to work out which group will ultimately kill and cripple more people and cause more damage to society and humanity at large.
Such melodrama...
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Not quite the worst thing. In that case it's that you know exactly what you're talking about, it just isn't the truth. The more of these experiments the better, keep at it, keep disproving evolution as 'The Origin of Species', over and over and over again. Then when a subsequent generation wants to learn the truth they'll have lots of good data to look at. I love the
Fisticuffs wrote:
just decided to turn on because it was bored
quote by the way, a great explanation of so called 'evlotuionary' genetics. I wonder if there's a gradient in the boredom field you could use to knock a couple of zeros off the time it takes to evolve an inefficient bacterium from an efficient one, still would make any difference of course, billions of generations of E.Coli and yet it's still E.Coli, funny that. :doh:
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Which is in your enlightened opinion?
Ever seen God Matty?
...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.
Sorry Zep I've never heard of the 'Ever seen god Matty?' premise. What I can tell you is that no one has seen the Father but the truth is that those who have seen the Son have seen the true image of the father, which is indestinguishable from seeing the Father. As the Son lives in us by the Spirit we look daily on those being restored into the image of God. That being so you yourself may have seen God far more often than you would think. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Umm... I don't believe there is a 'strength of belief' threshold that once beyond constitutes a religion... "Religion" has much better definitions. Evolution is not a religion to anybody.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I'll leave others to work out which group will ultimately kill and cripple more people and cause more damage to society and humanity at large.
Such melodrama...
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It's easy enough to narrow your definition of religion to avoid the problem just as evolutionists broaden their definition of science to include the acceptance of pure speculations as theories and the convenience of ideas as proof of the same. I wouldn't bother to post if I didn't think the issue was important. If you think through it broken ideas like evolution are a serious impediment to society, progress and science. It's not merely a theoretical debate because these things do have real world consequences.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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It's easy enough to narrow your definition of religion to avoid the problem just as evolutionists broaden their definition of science to include the acceptance of pure speculations as theories and the convenience of ideas as proof of the same. I wouldn't bother to post if I didn't think the issue was important. If you think through it broken ideas like evolution are a serious impediment to society, progress and science. It's not merely a theoretical debate because these things do have real world consequences.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
At the very worst, a relatively small number of people have invested time and money in a career that turns out to be a dead end. And even if that were possible, (as you point out there is no way to construct an actual experiment that would prove or disprove evolution), it's not as if it's research hasn't yeilded productive results even if they don't directly support the intended thesis. It's not as if the headlines will ever read "10 archeologist and evolutionary biologists just flew a couple of 737s into the WTC." Exactly what 'real consequences' do you perceive are on par with Islamic terrorism?
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François Gasnier wrote:
Law should not be made from theorical principles
It also shouldn't be made from a non-legislative branch of government. One court looking at one case had no business making it legal for the entire country. Nobody is proposing making it illegal, but letting the States decide for themselves, as it should be.
François Gasnier wrote:
a victim of a rape or incest will fly to a state where abortion is legal or worse abort in a dirty place endangering her own life.
That would certainly cut down on the 99% of unnecessary abortions, whouldn't it.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Nobody is proposing making it illegal
Of course some people are willing to make it illegal even in the whole country. There is no point in forbidding it somewhere if you can do it by moving in a neighboring state.
BoneSoft wrote:
That would certainly cut down on the 99% of unnecessary abortions, whouldn't it.
That would likely increase suicide rate of young girls, study dropouts and definitely not significantly reduce the number abortions. Have you ever discussed that with someone that resorted to abortion and wondered of other options?
___________________________________________________________ On the whole human beings want to be good, but not to good and not quite all the time - George Orwell
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BoneSoft wrote:
Nobody is proposing making it illegal
Of course some people are willing to make it illegal even in the whole country. There is no point in forbidding it somewhere if you can do it by moving in a neighboring state.
BoneSoft wrote:
That would certainly cut down on the 99% of unnecessary abortions, whouldn't it.
That would likely increase suicide rate of young girls, study dropouts and definitely not significantly reduce the number abortions. Have you ever discussed that with someone that resorted to abortion and wondered of other options?
___________________________________________________________ On the whole human beings want to be good, but not to good and not quite all the time - George Orwell
François Gasnier wrote:
and definitely not significantly reduce the number abortions
You're so sure of this? Legalizing it country wide sure increased the number significantly. But you're missing the point. The Supreme Court had no business dictating law, much less to the entire country.
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François Gasnier wrote:
and definitely not significantly reduce the number abortions
You're so sure of this? Legalizing it country wide sure increased the number significantly. But you're missing the point. The Supreme Court had no business dictating law, much less to the entire country.
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BoneSoft wrote:
You're so sure of this? Legalizing it country wide sure increased the number significantly.
Of course, there was no figures of illegal abortions. But, most specialists agrees that when abortion was legalized in France in the early seventies, the number of abortions did not multiply by two from that day... A country get much better results by investing in (sexual) education and preventing unwanted pregnancy.
___________________________________________________________ On the whole human beings want to be good, but not to good and not quite all the time - George Orwell
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BoneSoft wrote:
You're so sure of this? Legalizing it country wide sure increased the number significantly.
Of course, there was no figures of illegal abortions. But, most specialists agrees that when abortion was legalized in France in the early seventies, the number of abortions did not multiply by two from that day... A country get much better results by investing in (sexual) education and preventing unwanted pregnancy.
___________________________________________________________ On the whole human beings want to be good, but not to good and not quite all the time - George Orwell
François Gasnier wrote:
in the early seventies, the number of abortions did not multiply by two from that day...
Of course not, but I'm sure it increased.
François Gasnier wrote:
A country get much better results by investing in (sexual) education and preventing unwanted pregnancy.
I don't doubt that at all, nor would I suggest that we ignore such measures. But I think we in America have a disproportional number of unwanted pregnancies, which I would argue could be in part due to the mentality that it's so easy to go 'take care of' since it is now legal. I think we should concentrate more on why unwanted pregnancies are happening in the first place rather than what do with with them after the fact, but with so many happening, both issues need to be addressed.
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Sorry Zep I've never heard of the 'Ever seen god Matty?' premise. What I can tell you is that no one has seen the Father but the truth is that those who have seen the Son have seen the true image of the father, which is indestinguishable from seeing the Father. As the Son lives in us by the Spirit we look daily on those being restored into the image of God. That being so you yourself may have seen God far more often than you would think. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)