Powell endorses Obama
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http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/19/powell-endorses-obama-in-no-uncertain-terms.aspx[^] In addition, I found this quite powerful"
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
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http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/19/powell-endorses-obama-in-no-uncertain-terms.aspx[^] In addition, I found this quite powerful"
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
Anyone who advocates for abortion is not a CHristian. Anyone who supports abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who makes excuses for abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who will not admit that abortion is sin is not a Christian. Walking into a church building doesn't make you a Christian any more than walking into a McDonald's makes you a hamburger.
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Anyone who advocates for abortion is not a CHristian. Anyone who supports abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who makes excuses for abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who will not admit that abortion is sin is not a Christian. Walking into a church building doesn't make you a Christian any more than walking into a McDonald's makes you a hamburger.
So ( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ), if a 9 year old girl is repeatedly raped by her step father and becomes pregnant, you'd say that she should be denied an abortion ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/10/19/powell-endorses-obama-in-no-uncertain-terms.aspx[^] In addition, I found this quite powerful"
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president?
That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican. The fact that he is concerned about McCain's court picks but not Obama's is proof of that.
oilFactotum wrote:
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president
Yeah, thats a beautiful sentiment. But who is it meant for?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Anyone who advocates for abortion is not a CHristian. Anyone who supports abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who makes excuses for abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who will not admit that abortion is sin is not a Christian. Walking into a church building doesn't make you a Christian any more than walking into a McDonald's makes you a hamburger.
Ilíon wrote:
Anyone who advocates for abortion is not a CHristian. Anyone who supports abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who makes excuses for abortion is not a Christian. Anyone who will not admit that abortion is sin is not a Christian.
Ilíon, would you care to make reference to the undeniable source that, with absolute and provable authority, states that.
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That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican. The fact that he is concerned about McCain's court picks but not Obama's is proof of that.
oilFactotum wrote:
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president
Yeah, thats a beautiful sentiment. But who is it meant for?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican. The fact that he is concerned about McCain's court picks but not Obama's is proof of that.
Yeppers. I know someone (that is, in the sense that one can know a complete stranger over the Internet) who told me that he's a distant cousin of Powell. This person, while not an American, is very much against an Obama presidency. Though, I doubt he's any more for a McCain presidency that I am or you are.
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So ( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ), if a 9 year old girl is repeatedly raped by her step father and becomes pregnant, you'd say that she should be denied an abortion ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
So ( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ), if a 9 year old girl is repeatedly raped by her step father and becomes pregnant, you'd say that she should be denied an abortion ?
Did the unborn child this 9 year-old is carrying rape her? Will murdering her unborn child unrape her? Why is it that you people like to toss about emotions as being the basis to "reason" ... but refuse to actually reason? edit:
Christian Graus wrote:
( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ),
You're emphatically *not* asking for a rational discussion. Therefore ... and since you will not abandon your irrationality .. you are being dishonest.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So ( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ), if a 9 year old girl is repeatedly raped by her step father and becomes pregnant, you'd say that she should be denied an abortion ?
Did the unborn child this 9 year-old is carrying rape her? Will murdering her unborn child unrape her? Why is it that you people like to toss about emotions as being the basis to "reason" ... but refuse to actually reason? edit:
Christian Graus wrote:
( and I realise I am again asking you to think and discuss here, so feel free to call me dishonest and be done with it ),
You're emphatically *not* asking for a rational discussion. Therefore ... and since you will not abandon your irrationality .. you are being dishonest.
OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
You're such an irrational ass. You're such a hypocrite. You're such a God-damned liar.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
OK, good. So you're completely blind. (actually, you're an intellectually dishonest hypocrite) You're saying that the other child in this case ( the unborn infant ) doesn't matter to you at all. She or he has no rights, and certainly not even the right to life. And, of course, all that matters is that someone else has decided, on his own authority and without consulting the unborn child, that she or he must have "every chance in life," right ?
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That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican. The fact that he is concerned about McCain's court picks but not Obama's is proof of that.
oilFactotum wrote:
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president
Yeah, thats a beautiful sentiment. But who is it meant for?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Christian Graus wrote:
OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
You're such an irrational ass. You're such a hypocrite. You're such a God-damned liar.
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
OK, good. So you're completely blind. (actually, you're an intellectually dishonest hypocrite) You're saying that the other child in this case ( the unborn infant ) doesn't matter to you at all. She or he has no rights, and certainly not even the right to life. And, of course, all that matters is that someone else has decided, on his own authority and without consulting the unborn child, that she or he must have "every chance in life," right ?
Can you explain that irrational, intelllectually dishonest response ? It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ? The Bible has nothing to say about when life begins. So what do you base these views on, if not emotion ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
But who is it meant for?
Probably those people who can't or won't see beyond the end of their nose
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Probably those people who can't or won't see beyond the end of their nose
You mean anyone who has anything negative at all to say about the messiah?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Can you explain that irrational, intelllectually dishonest response ? It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ? The Bible has nothing to say about when life begins. So what do you base these views on, if not emotion ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Can you explain that irrational, intelllectually dishonest response ? It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ?
You *cannot* explain your irrational, intellectually dishonest (and anti-Christian) "argument." That's why you have to resort to emotive misdirection.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ?
There are two (or even three) persons immediately involved in all abortions. I speak, of course, not of the "doctor" and "nurses," but of the baby, the mother, and sometimes the father. Of these two (or three), one of them always ends up dead, that being the whole point.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Probably those people who can't or won't see beyond the end of their nose
You mean anyone who has anything negative at all to say about the messiah?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Can you explain that irrational, intelllectually dishonest response ? It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ? The Bible has nothing to say about when life begins. So what do you base these views on, if not emotion ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
So what do you base these views on, if not emotion ?
Isn't talking about 9 year old rape victims an appeal to emotion? It seems to me that the vast majority of abortions are about undoing a bad choice.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Christian Graus wrote:
Can you explain that irrational, intelllectually dishonest response ? It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ?
You *cannot* explain your irrational, intellectually dishonest (and anti-Christian) "argument." That's why you have to resort to emotive misdirection.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's irrational to care about a girl who has been raped ? It's Christian to destroy her life further ?
There are two (or even three) persons immediately involved in all abortions. I speak, of course, not of the "doctor" and "nurses," but of the baby, the mother, and sometimes the father. Of these two (or three), one of them always ends up dead, that being the whole point.
Ilíon wrote:
ou *cannot* explain your irrational, intellectually dishonest (and anti-Christian) "argument." That's why you have to resort to emotive misdirection.
I'll take that for a no then. You can't defend your view, you just hold it blindly because you've been told to.
Ilíon wrote:
There are two (or even three) persons immediately involved in all abortions. I speak, of course, not of the "doctor" and "nurses," but of the baby, the mother, and sometimes the father. Of these two (or three), one of them always ends up dead, that being the whole point.
OK, I see. So, so long as the maximum number of people are alive, quality of life means nothing ? Protecting victims means nothing ? Should the guy who raped her even be charged and go to jail ? I mean, the baby needs a father, right ? you're spouting retoric, but you're not actually answering me. Why does the girl who was raped have no rights ? Where does the baby end up ? Why is the non sentient group of cells dividing in her stomach more important than she is ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So what do you base these views on, if not emotion ?
Isn't talking about 9 year old rape victims an appeal to emotion? It seems to me that the vast majority of abortions are about undoing a bad choice.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
He accused me of not thinking, of just relying on emotion. Well, most anti abortion argument is based on emotion, in my experience. My point of view, FWIW, is that abortion as a form of birth control is wrong, but that education is more important than prohibition. However, to flat out ban all abortion, including in the sort of cases I am talking about, is also wrong. There's a grey area.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Well, then, when a person looks past the end of their nose, what do they see? Personnally, when I look past the end of mine, I see people who are horrified by the prospect of a traditional AMerican christian becoming president such as Governor Palin, but actively promote the notion that a practicing muslim becoming president would just be the most wonderful event in the entire history of western civilization. Something about that just does not make any sense what so ever.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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OK, good. So you're completely blind. You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy. And, of course, the child she goes on to raise, is going to have every chance in life, right ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
You're saying that the child in this case ( the 9 yo ) doesn't matter to you at all. She has no rights, not even the right to sympathy.
No, he's saying unborn people have super rights. Basically, a fetus has the God-given right to inhabit a woman's body without her consent for as long as it likes. Anyone else who tries to inhabit a woman's body without her consent is considered a rapist.
Obama's plan gives me a $400 per year tax cut. McCain's plan gives me a $80 per year tax cut. Would rather be one of the lucky few to have taxes raised by Obama. (Someone on the Internet)
modified on Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:10 PM
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That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican. The fact that he is concerned about McCain's court picks but not Obama's is proof of that.
oilFactotum wrote:
And it is permitted to be said such things as, "Well, you know that Mr. Obama is a Muslim." Well, the correct answer is, he is not a Muslim, he's a Christian. He's always been a Christian. But the really right answer is, what if he is? Is there something wrong with being a Muslim in this country? The answer's no, that's not America. Is there something wrong with some seven-year-old Muslim-American kid believing that he or she could be president
Yeah, thats a beautiful sentiment. But who is it meant for?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
That isn't surprising considering that Powell has always been a democrat pretending to be a republican.
When I first learned of Powell, I thought, "This is someone I might be able to support for the presidency" -- *gasp* there goes my membership in We-B-Racists *gasp* -- but then I learned more about him.