Good Old Professor Dawkins [modified]
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I hate you.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I hate you.
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. I truly admire the way you can slug it out with Ilion. You've pwned his ass more than once. But if you can handle getting as good as you give, then you're no better than he is.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
That's a non-argument
It's a question.
73Zeppelin wrote:
The onus of proof isn't on those who don't believe, it's on those that do
So what you say is that nonexistence of anything is considered as true unless proven otherwise, right? That is saying 'There is no exoplanets' was true until we discovered some of them. Woops. Any proposal has to be demonstrated to be considered as true. Before that it is plausible, or not. The current status on God is that we don't know, no one having been able yet to prove neither its/his/her existence nor its/his/her nonexistence.
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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Oakman wrote:
So you've switched from constantly to in the last stages of his ministry?
No I've given you an example.
Oakman wrote:
I even know how to spell Pharisee
Good, now go back to Gallilee and try not to get pushed off a cliff. ;P
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No I've given you an example.
But where are the examples from the beginning of his ministry?
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Good, now go back to Gallilee and try not to get pushed off a cliff.
There is no profit in getting on her in Gallilee.
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I apologize for exceeding the limits of your imagination. I'll try not to do so again for a few days at least. :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I apologize for exceeding the limits of your imagination.
My friend, I wish you would, just once, say something so startlingly original or imaginative that it even approached the limits of my imagination or threatened to stretch my mind. Instead, everything you say I heard over and over again before I was 21. Your "Good News" is no longer news.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No I've given you an example.
But where are the examples from the beginning of his ministry?
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Good, now go back to Gallilee and try not to get pushed off a cliff.
There is no profit in getting on her in Gallilee.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Considering the start of this line of argument I suggest you look at Mark 7.
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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KaЯl wrote:
No, I must not. Because I don't claim, I won't claim you are wrong. Your beliefs are yours, you are entitled to have them. Maybe you're right, maybe not. I believe you are not, but I respect your faith.
I understand that, but the problem with that position is that it is implicit that your belief is right and true and the beliefs of the Hindus, Muslims, Bhuddists, Native Americans, etc... is completely wrong. And that's why religion can be dangerous - it can breed hate, disrespect, friction and extremism. This is precisely why I disagree with allowing religious ideology to dictate state-based morality and codes of law.
"If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name in a Swiss bank."
73Zeppelin wrote:
that it is implicit that your belief is right and true and the beliefs of the Hindus, Muslims, Bhuddists, Native Americans, etc... is completely wrong
I never ever said my belief are the Truth, but are what I believe as being true. I don't claim I can demonstrate I'm right. I don't intend too, because faith and science are disconnected. You agree that religious matters have no ground to interfere with scientific matters, the opposite can also be true. IMHO, science and Religion don't compete.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I disagree with allowing religious ideology to dictate state-based morality and codes of law.
If you are able to base your morality on something else than a belief and a thinking about what is wrong and what is right, then on what else can you base it?
73Zeppelin wrote:
that's why religion can be dangerous - it can breed hate, disrespect, friction and extremism
And it can bring love, comfort, brotherhood, respect and a sense of community...Stalinism what openly atheist, and it bred hate, disrespect, friction and extremism.... You blame the religion when I blame human beings.
Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?
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Putting your money where your mouth is[^] I object to the word 'Probably'. But it will cause an absolute flame war, so good! Here are the donations so far[^]. All within about 3 hours!
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modified on Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:05 AM
This guy is an idiot. Assuming there's no God, why does he care so much ? What's the ad going to do ? If I see it, I will disagree. It's not going to change my life, or anyone elses. I will still disagree with Dawkins, the interesting thing is that he's the one who is dogmatic and divisive about it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Tell me how to prove that something doesn't exist.
Cover a candle with a glass.
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Isn't it possible to demonstrate something is not possible?
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No, it's not, unless you decide to add underlying assumptions. For something where assumptions or constraints are not only not defined, but explicitly denied by definition (eg. God can do/be anything), it is completely impossible. Even with assumptions it's impossible to completely "prove" a negative, because there is always the possibility that the assumptions themselves are false.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I hate you.
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. I truly admire the way you can slug it out with Ilion. You've pwned his ass more than once. But if you can handle getting as good as you give, then you're no better than he is.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oh, I can stand the heat all right. If you think that you had a valid criticism, then perhaps you should consider that you're several orders of magnitude more conceited than I am, and that your attacks based on a quality that is beyond my control carry about the weight of those 'shut up ya blond cunt' gems occasionally flung my way when I openly speculate on a moron's sexuality.
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Oh, I can stand the heat all right. If you think that you had a valid criticism, then perhaps you should consider that you're several orders of magnitude more conceited than I am, and that your attacks based on a quality that is beyond my control carry about the weight of those 'shut up ya blond cunt' gems occasionally flung my way when I openly speculate on a moron's sexuality.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
perhaps you should consider that you're several orders of magnitude more conceited than I am,
Absolutely. I've got an awful lot of accomplishments to be proud of. You: not so much.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
your attacks based on a quality that is beyond my control carry about the weight of those 'shut up ya blond c***' gems occasionally flung my way when I openly speculate on a moron's sexuality.
Beyond your control, of course, but you really can't hide behind it, either. Being 14 gets you no special favors.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
perhaps you should consider that you're several orders of magnitude more conceited than I am,
Absolutely. I've got an awful lot of accomplishments to be proud of. You: not so much.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
your attacks based on a quality that is beyond my control carry about the weight of those 'shut up ya blond c***' gems occasionally flung my way when I openly speculate on a moron's sexuality.
Beyond your control, of course, but you really can't hide behind it, either. Being 14 gets you no special favors.
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Oakman wrote:
Absolutely. I've got an awful lot of accomplishments to be proud of. You: not so much.
I have accomplishments; I just avoid talking about them.
Oakman wrote:
Beyond your control, of course, but you really can't hide behind it, either. Being 14 gets you no special favors.
It shouldn't get me immediate dismissal either. But whatever, I don't care.
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Oakman wrote:
Cover a candle with a glass.
I think you're missing the point somewhat. Try to prove that an invisible fairy didn't blow the candle out and you'd be getting closer.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Try to prove that an invisible fairy didn't blow the candle out and you'd be getting closer.
That wasn't part of the original requirements.
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