Anil Dash's Linguistic Analysis of Sarah Palin
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"Palin has been hammering home this alleged link between Obama and terrorism for weeks. And there's a deliberate intellectual dishonesty of using the plural form of 'terrorist' for describing what was meant to be an allusion to William Ayers alone." http://dashes.com/anil/2008/10/what-sarah-palin-is-saying.html[^] I had discounted and ignored Sarah Palin's claims that "Obama palls around with terrorists" because the phrase "palls around" doesn't have a concrete meaning. She isn't saying that Obama is, himself, a terrorist; that he wants to commit terrorist acts. She doesn't say that he supports Ayers' or any domestic or foreign terrorists activities. After reading Dash's analysis, I realize that I'm not the intended audience and I'm not supposed to understand what she's saying. She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
We've already been over this. Everyone already knows that any criticism of Obama is by definition racist. Otherwise, what else ya got to protect the guy from the obvious fact that his bestest buddy in the whole world (aside from his america hating marxist pastor and his never been proud of america before wife) is actually a terrorist.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Does anybody know the proportion of US voters who believe Obama is muslim?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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We've already been over this. Everyone already knows that any criticism of Obama is by definition racist. Otherwise, what else ya got to protect the guy from the obvious fact that his bestest buddy in the whole world (aside from his america hating marxist pastor and his never been proud of america before wife) is actually a terrorist.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
the obvious fact that his bestest buddy in the whole world (aside from his america hating marxist pastor and his never been proud of america before wife) is actually a terrorist
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead.
And it works, too.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the obvious fact that his bestest buddy in the whole world (aside from his america hating marxist pastor and his never been proud of america before wife) is actually a terrorist
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead.
And it works, too.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Daniel Ferguson wrote: She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead. And it works, too.
If you're going to start talking to yourself, maybe you should go out onto the street and do it?
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Ka?l wrote:
Does anybody know the proportion of US voters who believe Obama is muslim
Considerably lower than the number of Pakistanis who believe Obama is a Muslim.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: ROFL!
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the obvious fact that his bestest buddy in the whole world (aside from his america hating marxist pastor and his never been proud of america before wife) is actually a terrorist
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead.
And it works, too.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
And it works, too.
So, how would you characterize the media's efforts to discover every last thing Bush did in the national guard, compared to its complete lack of curiousty about any aspect of Obama's background?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Daniel Ferguson wrote: She's talking to people who want to find a way to hate Obama, but she doesn't want to criticize his actual policies and actions, so she goes for vague attacks by association instead. And it works, too.
If you're going to start talking to yourself, maybe you should go out onto the street and do it?
So do you disagree with what I actually said, or just the way I said it?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
And it works, too.
So, how would you characterize the media's efforts to discover every last thing Bush did in the national guard, compared to its complete lack of curiousty about any aspect of Obama's background?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
The media spent a lot of time studying John Kerry's time in the military too. With Obama they spent time on Jeremiah Wright, his flag pin, his childhood, his father in Kenya, etc. It's not as if they've completely ignored his past. Do you think they're ignoring a particular issue in his past?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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So do you disagree with what I actually said, or just the way I said it?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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The media spent a lot of time studying John Kerry's time in the military too. With Obama they spent time on Jeremiah Wright, his flag pin, his childhood, his father in Kenya, etc. It's not as if they've completely ignored his past. Do you think they're ignoring a particular issue in his past?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
The media spent a lot of time studying John Kerry's time in the military too. With Obama they spent time on Jeremiah Wright, his flag pin, his childhood, his father in Kenya, etc. It's not as if they've completely ignored his past. Do you think they're ignoring a particular issue in his past?
They've done none of that, except as it served to promote their candidates talking points. They have worked in every single case to cover up democrat flaws and demonzie critics. That is precisely why 'Swift Boating' is a derogatory term to liberals. It means: "Someone telling an uncomfortable truth about one of our guys". And that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable. Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate - thats what the left does. This campaign has provided undeniable proof of that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
The media spent a lot of time studying John Kerry's time in the military too. With Obama they spent time on Jeremiah Wright, his flag pin, his childhood, his father in Kenya, etc. It's not as if they've completely ignored his past. Do you think they're ignoring a particular issue in his past?
They've done none of that, except as it served to promote their candidates talking points. They have worked in every single case to cover up democrat flaws and demonzie critics. That is precisely why 'Swift Boating' is a derogatory term to liberals. It means: "Someone telling an uncomfortable truth about one of our guys". And that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable. Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate - thats what the left does. This campaign has provided undeniable proof of that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
also, i hate the terms "right" "left" "leftist" "right-wing". they hold very relative meaning and it only serves to forward the illusion that this is a 2 party system. :)
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
The media spent a lot of time studying John Kerry's time in the military too. With Obama they spent time on Jeremiah Wright, his flag pin, his childhood, his father in Kenya, etc. It's not as if they've completely ignored his past. Do you think they're ignoring a particular issue in his past?
They've done none of that, except as it served to promote their candidates talking points. They have worked in every single case to cover up democrat flaws and demonzie critics. That is precisely why 'Swift Boating' is a derogatory term to liberals. It means: "Someone telling an uncomfortable truth about one of our guys". And that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable. Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate - thats what the left does. This campaign has provided undeniable proof of that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable
I agree that it would take strained reasoning to think the claims of association with Ayers are racist. I've already said though, that I see no substance in the claims about "palling around" because it doesn't have a concrete meaning. Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time and he wasn't involved. Do you believe that Obama intends to set off bombs? Do you believe Obama is giving any kind of support to people who are setting off bombs? In short, do you have any concrete evidence that Obama is acting as or supporting terrorists?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
jgasm wrote:
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
There's nothing particularly "right-wing" about Bush. The guy is responsible for nationalising much of the banking industry of the U.S. But I gave you a five for the joke.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable
I agree that it would take strained reasoning to think the claims of association with Ayers are racist. I've already said though, that I see no substance in the claims about "palling around" because it doesn't have a concrete meaning. Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time and he wasn't involved. Do you believe that Obama intends to set off bombs? Do you believe Obama is giving any kind of support to people who are setting off bombs? In short, do you have any concrete evidence that Obama is acting as or supporting terrorists?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time
I've never understood this argument. Ayers is still going aound wishing he'd done more. Obama held fundraisers in Ayer's living room, when he was in his forties. Unless Obama is getting a pass for every association he's had until six months ago, Obama needs to explain what his relationship with Ayers was and why he tried to pretend he didn't have one.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time
I've never understood this argument. Ayers is still going aound wishing he'd done more. Obama held fundraisers in Ayer's living room, when he was in his forties. Unless Obama is getting a pass for every association he's had until six months ago, Obama needs to explain what his relationship with Ayers was and why he tried to pretend he didn't have one.
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Oakman wrote:
Ayers is still going aound wishing he'd done more.
You're taking that out of context. He said he wished he had done more to stop the war, not that he wished he'd set more bombs. Look up the original article to learn the full context. Is he sorry his group made bombs? Who knows, but his girlfriend was killed by one of their own bombs and that probably had an impact on him. The only people his group ever killed were their own members.
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also, i hate the terms "right" "left" "leftist" "right-wing". they hold very relative meaning and it only serves to forward the illusion that this is a 2 party system. :)
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
jgasm wrote:
also, i hate the terms "right" "left" "leftist" "right-wing". they hold very relative meaning and it only serves to forward the illusion that this is a 2 party system
So do I, BTW, but not because of anything to do with the two party system. The term "right wing" is merely an invention of the socialist to create an artificial political spectrum with them at one end (the good side) and everything that threatens them at the other end (the bad side - you know - with Adolh Hitler) I'm trying to break my self of the habit.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Lie, obfuscate,lie,obfuscate, lie, obfuscate
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
----------------------------------------------------------- "When I first saw it, I just thought that you really, really enjoyed programming in java." - Leslie Sanford
jgasm wrote:
are you summarizing the current "right-wing" administration?
We have absolutely no proof that the Bush administration has done any such thing until congress does its job and properly investigates him. His actions are subject to official inquery - that of the media and the democrat political machine are not.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time
I've never understood this argument. Ayers is still going aound wishing he'd done more. Obama held fundraisers in Ayer's living room, when he was in his forties. Unless Obama is getting a pass for every association he's had until six months ago, Obama needs to explain what his relationship with Ayers was and why he tried to pretend he didn't have one.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Obama held fundraisers in Ayer's living room
With bombs? No?
Obama needs to explain what his relationship with Ayers was and why he tried to pretend he didn't have one.
You need to show what terrorist activities that Ayers has taken part in recently and how Obama was in on it.
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Stan Shannon wrote:
that is precisely why the effort to expose Obama's association with Ayers is reduced to racism by the most strained reasoning imaginable
I agree that it would take strained reasoning to think the claims of association with Ayers are racist. I've already said though, that I see no substance in the claims about "palling around" because it doesn't have a concrete meaning. Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time and he wasn't involved. Do you believe that Obama intends to set off bombs? Do you believe Obama is giving any kind of support to people who are setting off bombs? In short, do you have any concrete evidence that Obama is acting as or supporting terrorists?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
I've already said though, that I see no substance in the claims about "palling around" because it doesn't have a concrete meaning. Ayers is a terrorist because he set off bombs 30 or 40 years ago. Obama was 8 at the time and he wasn't involved. Do you believe that Obama intends to set off bombs? Do you believe Obama is giving any kind of support to people who are setting off bombs? In short, do you have any concrete evidence that Obama is acting as or supporting terrorists?
But don't you think any such association is worthy of the closest possible scrutiny by the media? Isn't that their job? Don't the American people deserve such information in order to form an appropriate understanding of someone about to go into the oval office? The association may have been perfectly innocent, but the fact that the same media which told us every detail of an average American citizen's personal life within hours, which has dug through Sarah Palin's trash for information, has done no reporting on the Ayers/Obama relationsip of any substance. That sets alarm bells off in my mind. And that is merely the tip of the ice berg. Why the hell did he even pick Chicago as a place to go after leaving law school? The very epicenter of radical community organization and black liberation theology. I have always been willing to give Obama a pass that he is who he says he is, but the more information that ever so slowly surfaces on the guy just keeps getting more and more scary. His entire life appears to be exclusively a walking talking final exam in Salinski's rules for radicals. Do you honestly believe that a conservative candidate who had grown up with neo-nazi role models, who had sought out neo-nazi associations as a young adult, who had depended upon neo-nazi contacts in the growth of his career, who had ended up at the center of an area associated with neo-nazi activities, and who spoke with overt neo-nazi rhetoric wouldn't be considered a neo-nazi? And do you think the media would not have reported exhaustively on every little binary bit of that history?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.