Am I overreacting?
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It is a waste of time to defend one's views to intellectually dishonest persons, such as you.
Then it should be viewed as a waste of time to share them in the first place. ;)
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In my little town there is a house on the main drag with tons of anti-abortion stuff like signs saying "ABORTION IS MURDER." Never really cared about it before, however, today I drove by and there is a new sign. It says, "ABORTION IS TODAY'S HOLOCAUST" WTF? I understand that abortion gets a lot of people riled up, but I find this so totally offensive. I understand free speech but I find this incendiary. Am I just overreacting because of my religion or would those of you WHO ARE REASONABLE (which excludes a number from SB) feel the same way?
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leckey wrote:
Am I just overreacting because of my religion
What on Earth is your religion? Are you a Peloci Catholic? But no, you're not overreacting. That sort of statement is designed specifically to be abrasive to anyone who doesn't agree. I wouldn't exactly say that it's incorrect, but it is low to use that kind of imagery to help promote their view. And of course, to anyone who doesn't agree with the sentiment, it seems to deminish the holocaust which would be incendiary to them. Even thought they are really saying that they truely believe that it's just as serious as the holocaust.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I thought it was illegal? I thought it can only be disposed of in a certain way only?
How these things work, in practice, is that if a person perfoms an act which is approved by "liberals" -- say, burning the flag, or harrassing the patrons of the public library with one's massively unwashed body odors -- then it counts are "free speech". But on the other hand, if a person perfoms an act which is disapproved by "liberals" -- say, displaying a picture of the results of abortions, or stating that abortion is murder, or stating that homosexual behavior is immoral -- then it does not count as "free speech," but rather is an incitement to "hatred" and ought to be suppressed.
Ilíon wrote:
But on the other hand, if a person perfoms an act which is disapproved by "liberals"
Both knee-jerk liberals and knee-jerk conservatives try, quite often, to get laws passed that limit free speech to what they want to hear. AFAIK, all of those attempts to ignore the constitution are sooner or later reviewed by an appellate court and declared unconstitutional. Of course the concept that the system, though imperfect, actually works violates your paranoid world view and so you will of course respond with one of your oh-so-half-witty insults, rather than attempting to defend or explain your ideas in a rational manner.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
What part of "YOu can't make a law against flag burning" can't you understand is an abridgment of free speech?
The part where it directly contravenes the First Amendment. In other words, all of it.
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How is an action considered speech? Freedom of speech should be just that - the freedom to voice one's opinion without fear of retribution. Burning a flag is an overt action that ought to be condemned. The argument saying that burning a flag is expressing freedom of speech is like saying freedom of speech allows me to punch someone in the face. It has ceased being speech and become an action... Commence flaming now...
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Then it should be viewed as a waste of time to share them in the first place. ;)
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BoneSoft wrote:
Then it should be viewed as a waste of time to share them in the first place
I wonder who he thinks wants to read them. Stan, maybe?
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How is an action considered speech? Freedom of speech should be just that - the freedom to voice one's opinion without fear of retribution. Burning a flag is an overt action that ought to be condemned. The argument saying that burning a flag is expressing freedom of speech is like saying freedom of speech allows me to punch someone in the face. It has ceased being speech and become an action... Commence flaming now...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
allows me to punch someone in the face.
Flipping you the bird is freedom of speech. Punching you in the nose is battery.
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In my little town there is a house on the main drag with tons of anti-abortion stuff like signs saying "ABORTION IS MURDER." Never really cared about it before, however, today I drove by and there is a new sign. It says, "ABORTION IS TODAY'S HOLOCAUST" WTF? I understand that abortion gets a lot of people riled up, but I find this so totally offensive. I understand free speech but I find this incendiary. Am I just overreacting because of my religion or would those of you WHO ARE REASONABLE (which excludes a number from SB) feel the same way?
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
leckey wrote:
I understand free speech but I find this incendiary. Am I just overreacting because of my religion or would those of you WHO ARE REASONABLE (which excludes a number from SB) feel the same way?
If they are doing because they are Christians, then it is wrong. We are not ordered to go about accusing people of their sins. In fact, we never accepted our own sins until we became Christians. I know in the US, it is a political slang, and interestingly most involved also oppose social services. Listening to a born-again radio, there was an advert and I thought it was something to help girls/women who find themselves in the position to commit abortion. I went to the website to donate just to find out they want money to fight in court for a law to be passed. Best regards, Paul.
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BoneSoft wrote:
Then it should be viewed as a waste of time to share them in the first place
I wonder who he thinks wants to read them. Stan, maybe?
I've often wondered that. And what his motivation is.
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leckey wrote:
I understand free speech but I find this incendiary. Am I just overreacting because of my religion or would those of you WHO ARE REASONABLE (which excludes a number from SB) feel the same way?
If they are doing because they are Christians, then it is wrong. We are not ordered to go about accusing people of their sins. In fact, we never accepted our own sins until we became Christians. I know in the US, it is a political slang, and interestingly most involved also oppose social services. Listening to a born-again radio, there was an advert and I thought it was something to help girls/women who find themselves in the position to commit abortion. I went to the website to donate just to find out they want money to fight in court for a law to be passed. Best regards, Paul.
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We have free help lines for girls considering abortion,. run by churches, who basically attack the girls and tell them not to do it.
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It is a waste of time to defend one's views to intellectually dishonest persons, such as you.
Christian is one of the most honorable and honest persons I have met during my 6+ years on CP. You, one the other hand, are an abject failure and do not deserve to share pixels with one such as Christian.
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Then it should be viewed as a waste of time to share them in the first place. ;)
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I've often wondered that. And what his motivation is.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I thought it was illegal?
When Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag as part of a political protest in 1989, he was convicted for flag desecration under Texas law, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed the conviction on First Amendment grounds and the Supreme Court confirmed that physically damaging the flag constituted symbolic--and protected--speech. In it's decision the Court said, "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."
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Oakman wrote:
When Gregory Lee Johnson burned a flag as part of a political protest in 1989, he was convicted for flag desecration under Texas law, but the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals reversed the conviction on First Amendment grounds and the Supreme Court confirmed that physically damaging the flag constituted symbolic--and protected--speech. In it's decision the Court said, "If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable."
But as I recall, the flag he burned wasn't even his but one being displayed in front of City Hall. Seems like it would have saved us all a lot of time and drama if he had been arrested for destroying public property instead of burning the flag. I know the point is moot in some ways; if it hadn't been him, it would have been someone else to raise the issue. But still, every time I think of that case, I get infuriated not so much because of the flag burning but because the destruction of public property was somehow tacitly approved of as free speech. I can remember afterwards protesters celebrating the case by burning the flag and running it up a flag pole at a post office. EDIT: Ok, I just looked this up on Wikipedia: Gregory Lee Johnson participated in a political demonstration during the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, Texas. The demonstrators were protesting the policies of the Reagan Administration and of certain companies based in Dallas. They marched through the streets, shouted chants, and held signs outside the offices of several companies. At one point, another demonstrator handed Johnson an American flag taken from a flagpole outside one of the targeted buildings.[^]
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In my little town there is a house on the main drag with tons of anti-abortion stuff like signs saying "ABORTION IS MURDER." Never really cared about it before, however, today I drove by and there is a new sign. It says, "ABORTION IS TODAY'S HOLOCAUST" WTF? I understand that abortion gets a lot of people riled up, but I find this so totally offensive. I understand free speech but I find this incendiary. Am I just overreacting because of my religion or would those of you WHO ARE REASONABLE (which excludes a number from SB) feel the same way?
Blog link to be reinstated at a later date.
I don't know if you consider me reasonable or not, but here's my take. There are over 1 million abortions each year in the United States. If you compare the time span of the Holocaust, roughly 1935 to 1945, when six million Jews were slaughtered, to a 10 year total of abortions, one could make the argument that the statement is correct. However, when you consider that each abortion was an indivual decision by an individual mother while the Holocaust was a systematic state-sponsored slaughter of a group based upon their religious heritage, there is simply no comparison and it is a false and bigoted analogy.
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I get the impression that a lot of abortion protesters, like a lot of anti gay protesters ( like the Phelps church ) are just looking to create outrage so they can feel self righteous about it all. I can see the parallel tho, they are saying that abortion represents state sanctioned mass murder. I would find that less offensive than placards with ( what I hope are reproductions of ) aborted babies tied to them being waved in the faces of people walking past a clinic, which I have seen.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I get the impression that a lot of abortion protesters, like a lot of anti gay protesters ( like the Phelps church ) are just looking to create outrage so they can feel self righteous about it all.
I have to agree. If not why do you promote multi-billion p*n industry and hope the citizen will not be active. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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I don't know if you consider me reasonable or not, but here's my take. There are over 1 million abortions each year in the United States. If you compare the time span of the Holocaust, roughly 1935 to 1945, when six million Jews were slaughtered, to a 10 year total of abortions, one could make the argument that the statement is correct. However, when you consider that each abortion was an indivual decision by an individual mother while the Holocaust was a systematic state-sponsored slaughter of a group based upon their religious heritage, there is simply no comparison and it is a false and bigoted analogy.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
There are over 1 million abortions each year in the United States.
The p*n industry is very profitable then.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
If you compare the time span of the Holocaust, roughly 1935 to 1945, when six million Jews were slaughtered
There is a difference. They did not buy, but were forced to pay a price. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
There are over 1 million abortions each year in the United States.
The p*n industry is very profitable then.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
If you compare the time span of the Holocaust, roughly 1935 to 1945, when six million Jews were slaughtered
There is a difference. They did not buy, but were forced to pay a price. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
I'm sorry, Paul, but I don't understand either of your points. Would you mind explaining?
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DRHuff wrote:
You mean like this?[^]
I guess that will lead to a dead metaphor sooner or later.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
There are over 1 million abortions each year in the United States.
The p*n industry is very profitable then.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
If you compare the time span of the Holocaust, roughly 1935 to 1945, when six million Jews were slaughtered
There is a difference. They did not buy, but were forced to pay a price. Best regards, Paul.
Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote:
They did not buy, but were forced to pay a price.
Bad argument - you are comparing the victims of the Holocaust to the women who had abortions. Not the babies/foetuses/minimillay specialized cell groupings (pick one that your comfortable with). So in response to you quote: Who were forced to pay a price - the jews or the babies? As an aside - why does anyone get involved in this argument? Have you ever seen anybody change sides on this issue?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave
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_Damian S_ wrote:
allows me to punch someone in the face.
Flipping you the bird is freedom of speech. Punching you in the nose is battery.
So waving a flag is freedom of speech. Burning a flag is wilful destruction of property?
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