Am I overreacting?
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Thumping, Yes! Sorry. Try Exodus 21:22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide" Fined! not Executed. Execution was a punishment for murder, Fining was for a Civil Offence. Hope that helps.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
What do you make of the next couple of verses?
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What do you make of the next couple of verses?
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Eye for an Eye etc... This only applies to the wife. If you take her unborn child you get fined, but if you do her other damage you are punished accordingly. This means that God thinks a wife is important, but the child isn't. Thanks for clarifying that for others.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
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Thumping, Yes! Sorry. Try Exodus 21:22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide" Fined! not Executed. Execution was a punishment for murder, Fining was for a Civil Offence. Hope that helps.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
Here is an article about that verse I thought was interesting, you may be interested as well.
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Thumping, Yes! Sorry. Try Exodus 21:22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide" Fined! not Executed. Execution was a punishment for murder, Fining was for a Civil Offence. Hope that helps.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
To go along with that, take a look at how the NIV renders that verse: "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely, but there..."
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leckey wrote:
Am I just overreacting because of my religion
What on Earth is your religion? Are you a Peloci Catholic? But no, you're not overreacting. That sort of statement is designed specifically to be abrasive to anyone who doesn't agree. I wouldn't exactly say that it's incorrect, but it is low to use that kind of imagery to help promote their view. And of course, to anyone who doesn't agree with the sentiment, it seems to deminish the holocaust which would be incendiary to them. Even thought they are really saying that they truely believe that it's just as serious as the holocaust.
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If I understand this correctly her outrage is against the comparison to the holocaust since she's Jewish.
I've heard more said about less.
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If I understand this correctly her outrage is against the comparison to the holocaust since she's Jewish.
I've heard more said about less.
I didn't realize she was. Which leads me though to wonder what the Jewish stance on abortion is. To many who are against abortion, the analogy is considered accurate because they believe that strongly that abortion is the government sanctioned killing of babies on a massive scale. It's likely also used because it will enrage those who don't agree (which certainly makes it negative), but I don't think they use the analogy to diminish the holocaust in any way. In which case, I would have to change my answer to yes, she is possibly overreacting.
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Thumping, Yes! Sorry. Try Exodus 21:22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide" Fined! not Executed. Execution was a punishment for murder, Fining was for a Civil Offence. Hope that helps.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
This does not mean that the Bible considers unborn children as not human life. This VERY specific case of the accidental death of the child as a result of two men fighting is what this deals with. If you look at how other cases of accidental death are handled, you will see that accidental death was not considered murder in any situation. To help you understand this, given your childlike understanding of religion, this[^] should help you out as it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way). You also cannot argue (assuming that you concede that it is human life, and I'm not holding my breath) that this means that it's not murder. Since the accidental example is not even remotely analogous to abortion.
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Paul Selormey wrote:
Do we need to find the relation between sex and abortion?
Absolutely. I volunteer you to watch porn at least 8 hours @ day until you have an abortion.
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This does not mean that the Bible considers unborn children as not human life. This VERY specific case of the accidental death of the child as a result of two men fighting is what this deals with. If you look at how other cases of accidental death are handled, you will see that accidental death was not considered murder in any situation. To help you understand this, given your childlike understanding of religion, this[^] should help you out as it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way). You also cannot argue (assuming that you concede that it is human life, and I'm not holding my breath) that this means that it's not murder. Since the accidental example is not even remotely analogous to abortion.
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BoneSoft wrote:
it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way).
:laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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BoneSoft wrote:
it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way).
:laugh:
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
Funny ain't it. I have little doubt that they are mocking religion, but it is funny nonetheless. Puts a new spin on those silly sounding Old Testament laws. You HAVE to see the bestiality and rape sections.
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Funny ain't it. I have little doubt that they are mocking religion, but it is funny nonetheless. Puts a new spin on those silly sounding Old Testament laws. You HAVE to see the bestiality and rape sections.
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I don't think they are mocking it. The second slide for the Proof of Virginity is funny with the Jerry Springer take of it.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Thumping, Yes! Sorry. Try Exodus 21:22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide" Fined! not Executed. Execution was a punishment for murder, Fining was for a Civil Offence. Hope that helps.
------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop
According to Blue Letter Bible, the only version of the Bible that applies "miscarriage" to this verse is the RSV. The KJV (and all other versions, even the literal translation) seem to agree that the implication is that the baby is born prematurely but otherwise unharmed. [^] Interesting discussion, though. What's fascinating to me is that two men fighting and inadvertently causing a baby to be born was somehow common enough that the legal management of that situation actually needed to be written down. Go figure.
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This does not mean that the Bible considers unborn children as not human life. This VERY specific case of the accidental death of the child as a result of two men fighting is what this deals with. If you look at how other cases of accidental death are handled, you will see that accidental death was not considered murder in any situation. To help you understand this, given your childlike understanding of religion, this[^] should help you out as it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way). You also cannot argue (assuming that you concede that it is human life, and I'm not holding my breath) that this means that it's not murder. Since the accidental example is not even remotely analogous to abortion.
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BoneSoft wrote:
To help you understand this, given your childlike understanding of religion, this[^] should help you out as it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way).
:laugh: I have not seen the bricktestament site before, thanks for sharing.
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BoneSoft wrote:
To help you understand this, given your childlike understanding of religion, this[^] should help you out as it's illustrated with LEGOs (which is friggin hillarious by the way).
:laugh: I have not seen the bricktestament site before, thanks for sharing.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
I just found it. But it looks like the greatest thing since sliced bread. Oddly enough, their FAQ says that they get requests all the time to use it for Sunday Schools! I'm guessing they avoid a lot of the content[^]. :laugh:
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