Mentioned in, "Dreams from My Father" - that well known memoir of his nothingness
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You seem a bit put-off by this Obama guy. I don't think you should vote for him if you feel that way.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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You seem a bit put-off by this Obama guy. I don't think you should vote for him if you feel that way.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
I don't think you should vote for him if you feel that way.
I have no intention of voting for him, as you well know.
Shog9 wrote:
You seem a bit put-off by this Obama guy.
Correct. I lived under his prior personna.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Shog9 wrote:
I don't think you should vote for him if you feel that way.
I have no intention of voting for him, as you well know.
Shog9 wrote:
You seem a bit put-off by this Obama guy.
Correct. I lived under his prior personna.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Correct. I lived under his prior personna.
Maybe you should talk about your experiences then? If you go on about his poor, working-class family, folks might start to think you're being elitist.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
Correct. I lived under his prior personna.
Maybe you should talk about your experiences then? If you go on about his poor, working-class family, folks might start to think you're being elitist.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
Maybe you should talk about your experiences then?
no need. open up your history book and read the chapter on Jimma Carter.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
I think the core issue is probably your political system. In Australia, the prime minister just doesn't have enough power for his personal agenda to set the tone for the whole country. Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country. Or, y'all are just over reacting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Shog9 wrote:
Maybe you should talk about your experiences then?
no need. open up your history book and read the chapter on Jimma Carter.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
open up your history book and read the chapter on Jimma Carter.
Carter, Reagan, Hoover, FDR, JFK, Bush... Meh. Candidates and their supporters love comparing themselves and their opponents to past presidents, no doubt looking to break up the monotony of arguing with strawmen by arguing with ghosts. But Obama ain't Carter, any more than he's JFK or Hoover; McCain is no more Bush than he is FDR. Per your admission, you lived under Obama; if that's so, then talk about it. Or better yet, pick a candidate you like and talk about him. Most of us need only answer our autodialer-driven telephones to get all the dirt we can eat on either of the major candidates.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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I think the core issue is probably your political system. In Australia, the prime minister just doesn't have enough power for his personal agenda to set the tone for the whole country. Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country. Or, y'all are just over reacting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, y'all are just over reacting.
I do not. My reaction comes from having lived through one of the weakest presidents in our history, Carter, and the damage it did to the nation. Carter was a relative novice and the world took advantage if it. Secondly a president can issue executive orders, as in, "this entire swath of the country is now a national park and by the way, you can't look for oil there". Requires no legislation what so ever. If the man had done anything then the electorate could evaluate it decide. He's done nothing of significance and has lied about that - specifically refusing to support legislation that protects the life of a child that survives a late term abortion.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Or, y'all are just over reacting.
I do not. My reaction comes from having lived through one of the weakest presidents in our history, Carter, and the damage it did to the nation. Carter was a relative novice and the world took advantage if it. Secondly a president can issue executive orders, as in, "this entire swath of the country is now a national park and by the way, you can't look for oil there". Requires no legislation what so ever. If the man had done anything then the electorate could evaluate it decide. He's done nothing of significance and has lied about that - specifically refusing to support legislation that protects the life of a child that survives a late term abortion.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Secondly a president can issue executive orders, as in, "this entire swath of the country is now a national park and by the way, you can't look for oil there".
Wow, I hope he doesn't do something awful like that, or worse, just decide that he wants to declare a war. Can you imagine what it would be like if that happened?
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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I think the core issue is probably your political system. In Australia, the prime minister just doesn't have enough power for his personal agenda to set the tone for the whole country. Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country. Or, y'all are just over reacting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Or, y'all are just over reacting.
i think this has some merit.
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Are you posting all these complaints in hopes of persuading some here to vote McCain, or is this just a form of catharsis to relieve your agony at the possibility that the Democrats might finally win one? If it's the former, I think you might be pissing into the wind, so to speak...
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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I think the core issue is probably your political system. In Australia, the prime minister just doesn't have enough power for his personal agenda to set the tone for the whole country. Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country. Or, y'all are just over reacting.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country.
Thats not really the case when the government acts to check itself. But when the Legislative branch and Congress are from the same party, then the party in power can run roughshod over the minority. The big concern in this election is that if the Democratic party wins 60 seats in the Senate, the Republicans can't effectively stop anything because the Dems can vote to stop a filibuster. The sad thing is that with the partisanism in Washingtonn these days, people place party over the common good. Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them. My 2 cents is that we would be better off having the President and the Congress from different parties, I've never seen the US government create jobs, and I don't particularly want or expect their help.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country.
Thats not really the case when the government acts to check itself. But when the Legislative branch and Congress are from the same party, then the party in power can run roughshod over the minority. The big concern in this election is that if the Democratic party wins 60 seats in the Senate, the Republicans can't effectively stop anything because the Dems can vote to stop a filibuster. The sad thing is that with the partisanism in Washingtonn these days, people place party over the common good. Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them. My 2 cents is that we would be better off having the President and the Congress from different parties, I've never seen the US government create jobs, and I don't particularly want or expect their help.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote:
hen the party in power can run roughshod over the minority.
Isn't that the definition of democracy ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
So, what if he has poor relatives ? Furthermore, when socialism comes they are going to redistribute the wealth and make the poor rich and the rich poor. Then they will again make rich poor and poor rich and the cycle will be repeated endlessly. This is called the "eternal karmic cycle". I sense you are dissatisfied and unhappy about something. The origin of suffering is ignorance and craving. Shed ignorance (go read a book or some thing) and stop craving for what cannot be. Know that self is just an illusion and all things are impermanent. Hope that helps.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Apparently, the US President is more like a Stalin figure, able to impose his will on the nation and therefore subject to all manner of scrutiny, because there appear to be no checks and balances to stop him from lying his way in and then changing the whole country.
Thats not really the case when the government acts to check itself. But when the Legislative branch and Congress are from the same party, then the party in power can run roughshod over the minority. The big concern in this election is that if the Democratic party wins 60 seats in the Senate, the Republicans can't effectively stop anything because the Dems can vote to stop a filibuster. The sad thing is that with the partisanism in Washingtonn these days, people place party over the common good. Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them. My 2 cents is that we would be better off having the President and the Congress from different parties, I've never seen the US government create jobs, and I don't particularly want or expect their help.
Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote:
Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them.
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability. He just can't see the big picture economically.
John Carson
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Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father[^] ah, yes - the American dream as executed by "The One".
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
hen the party in power can run roughshod over the minority.
Isn't that the definition of democracy ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Doug Goulden: ... then the party in power can run roughshod over the minority. Christian Graus: Isn't that the definition of democracy ?
It is ... which is why the US Constitution does not provide for a democracy (unitary or otherwise), but rather a for constitutional federal republic.
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Doug Goulden wrote:
Voting to get pork for your district or so that some lobbyist will support your next campaign, is the root cause of most of our real problems and the inability to address them.
This is a McCain talking point and bears little relation to the facts. Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending. It is a nickels and dimes obsession and shows that McCain lacks real leadership ability. He just can't see the big picture economically.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Earmarks account for around 1-2% of federal spending
Not quite correct. An earmark can: Fund the construction of something that must be maintained for decades, a subsequent burden for a local community. Foster corruption.
John Carson wrote:
He just can't see the big picture economically.
an opinion not shared by the majority of Americans according to today's poll numbers.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike, if you're right (and I'm not so sure you are) then you should be excited. 4 years of Carter led us to 8 years of Reagan.
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Oakman wrote:
Mike, if you're right ...
There is that. I don't know if you remember the feeling, during the Carter administration, of ... well, not sure how to describe it but somehow you couldn't hold your head high. Watching the news for 444 days in a row with citizens held hostage and 12% (mine, anyway) mortgage rates, etc. Reagan thankfully changed that and it is something to remember. I am honestly worried that Obama is the same, albeit more polished and sans a beer swilling brother to lighten things up. I don't remember whether or not he had a Democratic congress or not, something Obama will have - with zero incentive to put the brakes on what I consider to be a sucicidal left leaning agenda.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Are you posting all these complaints in hopes of persuading some here to vote McCain, or is this just a form of catharsis to relieve your agony at the possibility that the Democrats might finally win one? If it's the former, I think you might be pissing into the wind, so to speak...
Rob Graham wrote:
Are you posting all these complaints in hopes of persuading some here to vote McCain
of course not. The majority here are either young enough to still be liberal in their views or from other countries and not stake holders in the out come.
Rob Graham wrote:
a form of catharsis to relieve your agony at the possibility that the Democrats might finally win one?
primarily, yes.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.