What It Means To Be Christian
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Some posters to SoapBox thnink that because his father was Muslim and because Obama lived in a majority Muslim country for 2 years when he was a child, that means Obama must be Muslim.
Who? Come on, Ed. This continues to be a ridiculous, phony issue. If any thing, the fact that some people think he is muslim is probably helping him by taking their attention away from the fact he is most certainly a marxist. That is the entire reason that your side keeps brining this issue up. "Hey, how do we take attention away from Barack's radical leftist background?" "Oh, I know! Lets just keep talking about all the hordes of ignorant red necks that think he is a muslim!" "Good idea! Are there hordes of ignorant red necks that believe that?" "Who cares? We'll just find some statistic that looks good and keep promoting that!" "Brilliant!"
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Obama is no Marxist. However, both Democrats and Republicans are socialists. :laugh:
Kevin
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Some people, including 23% of Texans recently surveyed, believe Barack Obama is a Muslim. Some posters to SoapBox thnink that because his father was Muslim and because Obama lived in a majority Muslim country for 2 years when he was a child, that means Obama must be Muslim. However, I've always heard that Christianity is a choice. For example, Romans 10:9 says "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved". Obama chose to be Christian and if the bible can be believed, that choice made him Christian. Is that not true?
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
23% of Texans recently surveyed
It might be that even a larger number of people believe that he is a messiah. I also doubt that the 23% figure is really correct. It might have just been fudged to create a news. But why does it matter to you? Are you not going to vote for him if he was a muslim?
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
23% of Texans recently surveyed
It might be that even a larger number of people believe that he is a messiah. I also doubt that the 23% figure is really correct. It might have just been fudged to create a news. But why does it matter to you? Are you not going to vote for him if he was a muslim?
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Yeah, IMO the big question is not 'is he a Muslim', it's 'would that disqualify him as a candidate' ?
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Al Beback wrote:
We're all born atheists.
No we're not...we are born not knowing. You choose to be an atheist.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
You choose to be an atheist.
No you don't choose, logic and experience forces you to that conclusion.
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Yeah, IMO the big question is not 'is he a Muslim', it's 'would that disqualify him as a candidate' ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Right or wrong, in this time, it would matter to some people. And that equals negative votes. So right or wrong, he's smart to dismiss it whether he is or not. And I doubt he is. However, having said that, it's entirely reasonable to assume that growing up with it that he's more sympathetic to Islam than others might be. Which isn't to say that that would be a bad thing either.
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Obama is no Marxist. However, both Democrats and Republicans are socialists. :laugh:
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Obama is no Marxist
Yes, he is. There is absolutely nothing in his background aside from a few months of campaign rhetoric to suggest otherwise. His entire personnel history is utterly leftist.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Republicans are socialists
No, they aren't. A republican president suddenly finding himself needing to act to save the economy from leftist mismanagement doesn't make the republican party socialist. They may not be conservatives, but they are most certainly not socialist.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
You choose to be an atheist.
No you don't choose, logic and experience forces you to that conclusion.
Steve_Harris wrote:
No you don't choose, logic and experience forces you to that conclusion.
Hunger forces me to eat; weariness forces me to sleep. Logic and experience inform my understanding of the world at large. I eat, knowing that i will be hungry again; likewise, i slumber with the knowledge that i will grow weary again. And my understanding of the world around me grows and changes each day. Don't consider a lack of appetite sufficient evidence that you will never eat again.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Steve_Harris wrote:
No you don't choose, logic and experience forces you to that conclusion.
Hunger forces me to eat; weariness forces me to sleep. Logic and experience inform my understanding of the world at large. I eat, knowing that i will be hungry again; likewise, i slumber with the knowledge that i will grow weary again. And my understanding of the world around me grows and changes each day. Don't consider a lack of appetite sufficient evidence that you will never eat again.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
+5 - well said.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Obama is no Marxist
Yes, he is. There is absolutely nothing in his background aside from a few months of campaign rhetoric to suggest otherwise. His entire personnel history is utterly leftist.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Republicans are socialists
No, they aren't. A republican president suddenly finding himself needing to act to save the economy from leftist mismanagement doesn't make the republican party socialist. They may not be conservatives, but they are most certainly not socialist.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Actually, Republican socialism has a long history in the United States. Consider Republican President Benjamin Harrison, the "billion dollar President" who presided over the first billion dollar budget in the nation's history. He came into office when there was a budget surplus and left four years later with a budget deficit. Oh, and by the way, he initiated Rural Free Delivery, the most expensive socialist program in U.S. history.
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Steve_Harris wrote:
No you don't choose, logic and experience forces you to that conclusion.
Hunger forces me to eat; weariness forces me to sleep. Logic and experience inform my understanding of the world at large. I eat, knowing that i will be hungry again; likewise, i slumber with the knowledge that i will grow weary again. And my understanding of the world around me grows and changes each day. Don't consider a lack of appetite sufficient evidence that you will never eat again.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Al Beback wrote:
We're all born atheists.
No we're not...we are born not knowing. You choose to be an atheist.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
No we're not...we are born not knowing. You choose to be an atheist.
Actually, it's genetic and Gay scientists have isolated the Christian gene[^]. :rolleyes: Seriously, though. Suppose you were born on a remote island and nobody ever told you about any of the religions. Would you have chosen to be an atheist? For a real example, take the eskimos -- did they choose to be atheists before missionaries visited them?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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Oakman wrote:
Jon
hey, you ever been 1'd before for giving someone else a +5 ?? isn't it fun communicating with adults ??
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Some people, including 23% of Texans recently surveyed, believe Barack Obama is a Muslim. Some posters to SoapBox thnink that because his father was Muslim and because Obama lived in a majority Muslim country for 2 years when he was a child, that means Obama must be Muslim. However, I've always heard that Christianity is a choice. For example, Romans 10:9 says "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved". Obama chose to be Christian and if the bible can be believed, that choice made him Christian. Is that not true?
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Romans 10:9 says "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".
Note the part about "believe in thine heart." Since Muslims deem it no sin to lie to non-Muslims, and it's clear that Obama and untruth are not strangers, it requires an act of faith to believe he became a Christian after moving to Chicago and hearing some of Reverend Wright's inspirational sermons. Certainly, it's not impossible, but definitely his conversion was convenient.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Actually, Republican socialism has a long history in the United States. Consider Republican President Benjamin Harrison, the "billion dollar President" who presided over the first billion dollar budget in the nation's history. He came into office when there was a budget surplus and left four years later with a budget deficit. Oh, and by the way, he initiated Rural Free Delivery, the most expensive socialist program in U.S. history.
Well, hell why not throw Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon into the mix. Or, for that matter, Abraham Lincoln. The republican party was born at about the same time, and in response to the same basic social forces as Marxism. The republicans are not a conservative party, they are a pro-business and industry party.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Jon
hey, you ever been 1'd before for giving someone else a +5 ?? isn't it fun communicating with adults ??
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
hey, you ever been 1'd before for giving someone else a +5 ?? isn't it fun communicating with adults ??
The sad thing is that what Shog wrote was, indeed, brilliant. Even a rabid athiest should have been able to appreciate that. I just balanced you and it came up 3.7 so we know we aren't being unavoted by a reg.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
No we're not...we are born not knowing. You choose to be an atheist.
Actually, it's genetic and Gay scientists have isolated the Christian gene[^]. :rolleyes: Seriously, though. Suppose you were born on a remote island and nobody ever told you about any of the religions. Would you have chosen to be an atheist? For a real example, take the eskimos -- did they choose to be atheists before missionaries visited them?
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
For a real example, take the eskimos -- did they choose to be atheists before missionaries visited them?
Nope, they definitely didn't choose to be atheists ESKIMO HEAVEN AND HELL by Nalungiaq "There is the Land of the Sky, a good place where there is no sorrow and fear. There have been wise men who went there and came back to tell us about it: They saw people playing ball, happy people who did nothing but laugh and amuse themselves. What we see from down here in the form of stars are the lighted windows of the villages of the dead in the Land of the Sky. "But there is another place, the Land of the Miserable, right under the surface of the earth we walk on. There go all the lazy men who were poor hunters, and all women who refused to be tattooed, not caring to suffer a little to become beautiful. They had no life in them when they lived so now after death they must squat on their haunches with hanging heads, bad-tempered and silent, and live in hunger and idleness because they wasted their lives." Source
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Well, hell why not throw Herbert Hoover and Richard Nixon into the mix. Or, for that matter, Abraham Lincoln. The republican party was born at about the same time, and in response to the same basic social forces as Marxism. The republicans are not a conservative party, they are a pro-business and industry party.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The republicans are not a conservative party, they are a pro-business and industry party.
Exactly. They promote socialism when it benefits business or industry. There never was a true conservative party and probably never will be because it is as impractical in real life as is communism. No pure ideology survives the pollution of contact with human implementers of the ideology.
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Romans 10:9 says "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved".
Note the part about "believe in thine heart." Since Muslims deem it no sin to lie to non-Muslims, and it's clear that Obama and untruth are not strangers, it requires an act of faith to believe he became a Christian after moving to Chicago and hearing some of Reverend Wright's inspirational sermons. Certainly, it's not impossible, but definitely his conversion was convenient.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
definitely his conversion was convenient
As are many.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The republicans are not a conservative party, they are a pro-business and industry party.
Exactly. They promote socialism when it benefits business or industry. There never was a true conservative party and probably never will be because it is as impractical in real life as is communism. No pure ideology survives the pollution of contact with human implementers of the ideology.
Ed Gadziemski wrote:
They promote socialism when it benefits business or industry. There never was a true conservative party and probably never will be because it is as impractical in real life as is communism. No pure ideology survives the pollution of contact with human implementers of the ideology.
Actually, I don't disagree with that. Except, that I would assert that the democrat party has become a fully leftist party. The problem conservatives have is that there are so many different views of what being a conservative means. The libertarians are fighting hard to own the label.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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