Chief Wahoo
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The Cleveland Indians[^] - blatant racism that has become acceptable because "we didn't do it, our fathers did, and besides, it's just a logo?" I guess I just don't see it the same way they do. If they want an honorific name, they should check out the way the All-Blacks do it. Link Related[^]
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The Cleveland Indians[^] - blatant racism that has become acceptable because "we didn't do it, our fathers did, and besides, it's just a logo?" I guess I just don't see it the same way they do. If they want an honorific name, they should check out the way the All-Blacks do it. Link Related[^]
bulg wrote:
blatant racism
Bull shit - pure and simple. Native Americans (North American Indians) have completely lost site of what is important. They are gonna PC/racism themselves into non-existence. Half the state names in this country are based on indian names. Throw in the counties, cities, towns, rivers, etc... and that accounts for a hell of a lot of our (American) identity. If they want to start eliminating all indian symbols they run the risk that we'll choose to eliminate EVERYTHING - and their extinction will become complete. Chief Illiniwek[^] is a good example of PC gone insane. I'm of Irish descent but do you see me protesting the Notre Dame mascot? Hell no!
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bulg wrote:
blatant racism
Bull shit - pure and simple. Native Americans (North American Indians) have completely lost site of what is important. They are gonna PC/racism themselves into non-existence. Half the state names in this country are based on indian names. Throw in the counties, cities, towns, rivers, etc... and that accounts for a hell of a lot of our (American) identity. If they want to start eliminating all indian symbols they run the risk that we'll choose to eliminate EVERYTHING - and their extinction will become complete. Chief Illiniwek[^] is a good example of PC gone insane. I'm of Irish descent but do you see me protesting the Notre Dame mascot? Hell no!
We're not talking about chief Illiniwek, we're talking about chief wahoo, that'd be like Patty McMackey being the mascot of Notre Dame. also, Though the Irish regiments and Kilmer were well-known, particularly in the urban ethnic community, during the era between the Civil War and World War II, Notre Dame's claim to the nickname is justified since its third president was a famous Irish Brigade chaplain whose ministrations at Gettysburg are commemorated in the "Absolution Under Fire," part of Notre Dame's permanent art collection. I'm guessing as a Catholic male school, it started life with a high Irish population, too.
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We're not talking about chief Illiniwek, we're talking about chief wahoo, that'd be like Patty McMackey being the mascot of Notre Dame. also, Though the Irish regiments and Kilmer were well-known, particularly in the urban ethnic community, during the era between the Civil War and World War II, Notre Dame's claim to the nickname is justified since its third president was a famous Irish Brigade chaplain whose ministrations at Gettysburg are commemorated in the "Absolution Under Fire," part of Notre Dame's permanent art collection. I'm guessing as a Catholic male school, it started life with a high Irish population, too.
bulg wrote:
We're not talking about chief Illiniwek, we're talking about chief wahoo, that'd be like Patty McMackey being the mascot of Notre Dame.
No idea what you're talking about. Neither mascot is a real person. In both cases a few activists are whining and people like you perpetuate it.
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bulg wrote:
We're not talking about chief Illiniwek, we're talking about chief wahoo, that'd be like Patty McMackey being the mascot of Notre Dame.
No idea what you're talking about. Neither mascot is a real person. In both cases a few activists are whining and people like you perpetuate it.
I'm surprised, you're usually on point. I'm talking about Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians. You brought up Notre Dame and their Fighting Irish Leprechaun. 1st) its a leprechaun, not an average / above average adult male. 2nd) Notre Dame is a catholic school, probably predominantly irish when it was founded, and had irish civil war heros as part of its faculty / administration. A better comparison would be the Seminoles, and their old mascot, Chief Fullabull, which was actually renamed because they couldn't really get around the obvious slur. I think in this case, the case of Chief Wahoo for those with short attention spans, the people who get to decide if its offensive or not are in a severe minority, and are used to being harassed and assimilated for most of their recent history. "A few activists" are pretty much all you can expect, as their population is not even close to comparable to black people or women.
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I'm surprised, you're usually on point. I'm talking about Chief Wahoo, the mascot of the Cleveland Indians. You brought up Notre Dame and their Fighting Irish Leprechaun. 1st) its a leprechaun, not an average / above average adult male. 2nd) Notre Dame is a catholic school, probably predominantly irish when it was founded, and had irish civil war heros as part of its faculty / administration. A better comparison would be the Seminoles, and their old mascot, Chief Fullabull, which was actually renamed because they couldn't really get around the obvious slur. I think in this case, the case of Chief Wahoo for those with short attention spans, the people who get to decide if its offensive or not are in a severe minority, and are used to being harassed and assimilated for most of their recent history. "A few activists" are pretty much all you can expect, as their population is not even close to comparable to black people or women.
bulg wrote:
I think in this case, the case of Chief Wahoo for those with short attention spans, the people who get to decide if its offensive or not are in a severe minority, and are used to being harassed and assimilated for most of their recent history. "A few activists" are pretty much all you can expect, as their population is not even close to comparable to black people or women.
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