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  • J JimmyRopes

    It doesn't look good. What does the Prime Minister running the government out of the airport suggest? Not to worry though the Thais have mastered the art of military take over. They have had 18 military coups since the first one in 1932. Having said that I can’t think of another place on earth where I would rather be caught in the middle of a military coup. Of course one can never predict it but the last coup was bloodless so there is hope that this one will be bloodless also. During the last one (26 October 2006) unless you were in the vicinity of Government House (where the tanks were) you would not even know there was a military occupation going on. That is unless you were listening to the radio or watching television. They started playing what to me sounded like a funeral dirge on the radio but turned out to be patriotic music. Two days later you would see soldiers on the street corners. Two or three solders just standing around chewing the fat. They were not menacing at all. They didn't even have checkpoints set up. On the major roadways leading in to Bangkok there were military encampments just in case they needed to close down the roadway but it never came to that. It was pretty much business as usual. That is the way Thailand changes government if there is enough popular opposition to the incumbent government. I have to smile whenever I hear people talk about democracy as if democracy means the same thing to everyone. Democracy is quite different in different parts of the world, especially in the East. It doesn't make it bad it just makes it different. Considering that the Prime Minister is running the government out of the airport right now I think it is just a matter of time before he takes a flight and the tanks roll again. After a short military takeover there will be a general election. That is democracy in action in Thailand. Actually, when you think about it the people have spoken in the form of demonstrations against a government they find intolerable.

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    Any chance the king will speak out publicly?

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      Any chance the king will speak out publicly?

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      Oakman wrote:

      Any chance the king will speak out publicly?

      No I don't think the king will speak out publically but he will have a major influence over what happens. He does a lot of behind the scenes diplomacy and has quite a lot of power. The military or anyone else will not oppose him. In fact if you speak out against him it is a criminal offense. Even a disparaging remark can land you in court and possibly in prison if found guilty. I don’t want to elaborate on a public forum but the king has a lot of power. Much more than monarchs have in the West. Democratic monarchies are not the same all over the world.

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        Oakman wrote:

        Any chance the king will speak out publicly?

        No I don't think the king will speak out publically but he will have a major influence over what happens. He does a lot of behind the scenes diplomacy and has quite a lot of power. The military or anyone else will not oppose him. In fact if you speak out against him it is a criminal offense. Even a disparaging remark can land you in court and possibly in prison if found guilty. I don’t want to elaborate on a public forum but the king has a lot of power. Much more than monarchs have in the West. Democratic monarchies are not the same all over the world.

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        JimmyRopes wrote:

        but the king has a lot of power

        Yep. I have some idea. And by keeping a low profile, he gets to keep his power and his lifestyle.

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          JimmyRopes wrote:

          but the king has a lot of power

          Yep. I have some idea. And by keeping a low profile, he gets to keep his power and his lifestyle.

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          Oakman wrote:

          Yep. I have some idea. And by keeping a low profile, he gets to keep his power and his lifestyle.

          He is a very popular king. Some kings are more popular than others. He is destine to be one of the great Thai Kings. Along with pictures of him (Rama 9) and the Queen we also have a picture of King Chulalongkorn (Rama 5) in our house. He was the King that opened up Thailand [Siam] to the west. He is memorialized in “The King and I” but the Thais despise that portrayal of him. Apparently it is historically inaccurate. I think Rama 9 will be immortalized just as Rama 5 is because he is so loved and has been instrumental in transforming Thailand into a modern state rivaled in SE Asia only by Malaysia. Both Thailand and Malaysia have modern and not so modern portions of their population but I think Thailand will progress further because it is a Buddhist country and there is no religious opposition to modernizing, with the exception of the 3 border [Malaysia] proveniences of Yala, Patini and Narathaiwat. That is where there are active separatists who want to break away from Thailand and make them a Sultanate as they were 100 years ago when Siam took them over.

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            What's going on in Thailand?

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            Thailand on 'most dangerous' list for travellers[^] The latest edition of the list puts Thailand as the seventh most-dangerous spot for travellers behind Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Africa, Somalia and Sudan. Thailand is said to be more dangerous than Colombia and Haiti at the moment. I don't think it is dangerous but with both the major airports closed I doubt if there will be any new arrivals for a while.

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              Oakman wrote:

              Yep. I have some idea. And by keeping a low profile, he gets to keep his power and his lifestyle.

              He is a very popular king. Some kings are more popular than others. He is destine to be one of the great Thai Kings. Along with pictures of him (Rama 9) and the Queen we also have a picture of King Chulalongkorn (Rama 5) in our house. He was the King that opened up Thailand [Siam] to the west. He is memorialized in “The King and I” but the Thais despise that portrayal of him. Apparently it is historically inaccurate. I think Rama 9 will be immortalized just as Rama 5 is because he is so loved and has been instrumental in transforming Thailand into a modern state rivaled in SE Asia only by Malaysia. Both Thailand and Malaysia have modern and not so modern portions of their population but I think Thailand will progress further because it is a Buddhist country and there is no religious opposition to modernizing, with the exception of the 3 border [Malaysia] proveniences of Yala, Patini and Narathaiwat. That is where there are active separatists who want to break away from Thailand and make them a Sultanate as they were 100 years ago when Siam took them over.

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              Back before I switched careers, I directed The King and I - it's a fairy tale, but a nice one and everybody feels bad when Chulalonghorn dies. Even if they don't like it, it probably helped a lot of westerners feel positive about Thailand.

              JimmyRopes wrote:

              That is where there are active separatists who want to break away from Thailand and make them a Sultanate as they were 100 years ago when Siam took them over

              Yeah, that's kind of how Stan feels about Indiana.

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                Thailand on 'most dangerous' list for travellers[^] The latest edition of the list puts Thailand as the seventh most-dangerous spot for travellers behind Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Africa, Somalia and Sudan. Thailand is said to be more dangerous than Colombia and Haiti at the moment. I don't think it is dangerous but with both the major airports closed I doubt if there will be any new arrivals for a while.

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                JimmyRopes wrote:

                Thailand as the seventh most-dangerous spot for travellers behind Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Africa, Somalia and Sudan.

                But it has much more attractive women. ;)

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                  JimmyRopes wrote:

                  Thailand as the seventh most-dangerous spot for travellers behind Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, South Africa, Somalia and Sudan.

                  But it has much more attractive women. ;)

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                  Oakman wrote:

                  But it has much more attractive women.

                  Danger is a sexual stimulant. Do you remember that far back? And yes Thai ladies are beautiful.

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                    Apparently the Thai Prime Minister is too afraid to return to the Thai Capital. The riot police were driven away by a really small number of those protesting. The Army doesn't want to get involved. An a grenade has gone off at a Thai government house used by protesters. I did observe yesterday and the day before that things are not well in Thailand, and that a blood bath might be expected. But at this moment in time, I don't know whose blood will be spilt. A coup may be a solution that spills the least blood, at least the protesters would have reason to go home reasonably pleased with themselves.

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                    The Army doesn't want to get involved.

                    Having just come out of a military government they will not get involved until they are ordered to take over again. If the last coup is any indication they will rule for a year and then call a general election.

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                    An a grenade has gone off at a Thai government house used by protesters

                    Actually that was the second granade to go off in Government House. Things have to break soon.

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                      Back before I switched careers, I directed The King and I - it's a fairy tale, but a nice one and everybody feels bad when Chulalonghorn dies. Even if they don't like it, it probably helped a lot of westerners feel positive about Thailand.

                      JimmyRopes wrote:

                      That is where there are active separatists who want to break away from Thailand and make them a Sultanate as they were 100 years ago when Siam took them over

                      Yeah, that's kind of how Stan feels about Indiana.

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                      Oakman wrote:

                      I directed The King and I

                      Have a link to it?

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                        Oakman wrote:

                        But it has much more attractive women.

                        Danger is a sexual stimulant. Do you remember that far back? And yes Thai ladies are beautiful.

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                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                        Danger is a sexual stimulant.

                        Oh yeah.

                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                        Do you remember that far back?

                        Oh yeah.

                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                        Thai ladies are beautiful

                        Oh yeah.

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                          Oakman wrote:

                          I directed The King and I

                          Have a link to it?

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                          Paul Conrad wrote:

                          Have a link to it?

                          My production? Lord, no. As I remember, it got mediocre reviews and died a relatively quick death. But there are pics online of the original Gertrude Lawrence/Yul Brynner orginal as well as the Deborah Kerr/Brynner movie version.

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