Behind the Obama Agenda
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Christian Graus wrote:
You are an ignorant dickhead.
My attitude may be blunt on issues like this but you know I am not ignorant.
Christian Graus wrote:
shows that you're just another mindless person allowing other people to define their opinions and their views
There is a lot in this that seems accurate considering we have know idea what having power feels like. You probably have a sense of control and some power over situations, you don't know what real power feels like. It is these organizations that gained most of its power though the banking system that they lobbied for which allows them to fund political lobbyists and political candidates. They want to globalize all nations by grouping them into superstates (UN, EU) which then groups into the topmost layer which is under control by a very small group of elite people. They simplify things by organizing all the nations with layers of authorities. At the top most layer they can control broad worldwide control.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
but you know I am not ignorant.
Do I ? It seems to me like you accept whatever drivel crosses your path. I don't care what crackpot theories you subscribe to, this IS the soapbox, but you need to be willing to discuss and defend your views, not just posting links.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
. You probably have a sense of control and some power over situations, you don't know what real power feels like.
Yeah, you're right, I don't have any idea what it feels like to have the sort of power the president does.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
hey want to globalize all nations by grouping them into superstates (UN, EU) which then groups into the topmost layer which is under control by a very small group of elite people.
How do you know this to be true ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
At the top most layer they can control broad worldwide control.
Why do they want this, how does it affect me and you, and how do you know this is true ? You know the real reason people claim this stuff ? It's because they misunderstand the book of Revelation and try to find what they think it says, out in the real world, so they can foretell the soon end of our society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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But the blind acceptance of Obama by such a hugh number of people regardless of the undeniably anti-american radicalism of his past associations is what is really troublesome. The people who are trully "allowing other people to define their opinions and their views" are those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that this man is not what his image machine has created as an obvious facade.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The people who are trully "allowing other people to define their opinions and their views" are those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that this man is not what his image machine has created as an obvious facade.
Not to mention those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that Governor Palin is not what her image machine created as an obvious facade. It's called charisma, Stan. Deal with it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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But the blind acceptance of Obama by such a hugh number of people regardless of the undeniably anti-american radicalism of his past associations is what is really troublesome. The people who are trully "allowing other people to define their opinions and their views" are those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that this man is not what his image machine has created as an obvious facade.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Well, here's the truth. Most people don't have two brain cells to rub together and will accept whatever slick marketting tells them to believe. And, the other truth is that people like CSS make your views seem almost mainstream, while simultaneously ensuring that ANY sort of ciriticm is easily deflected by lumping it in with his wacko conspiracy theories. So, no matter which way you look at it, you're screwed. I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
but you know I am not ignorant.
Do I ? It seems to me like you accept whatever drivel crosses your path. I don't care what crackpot theories you subscribe to, this IS the soapbox, but you need to be willing to discuss and defend your views, not just posting links.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
. You probably have a sense of control and some power over situations, you don't know what real power feels like.
Yeah, you're right, I don't have any idea what it feels like to have the sort of power the president does.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
hey want to globalize all nations by grouping them into superstates (UN, EU) which then groups into the topmost layer which is under control by a very small group of elite people.
How do you know this to be true ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
At the top most layer they can control broad worldwide control.
Why do they want this, how does it affect me and you, and how do you know this is true ? You know the real reason people claim this stuff ? It's because they misunderstand the book of Revelation and try to find what they think it says, out in the real world, so they can foretell the soon end of our society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you need to be willing to discuss and defend your views
He's also really good an unavoting you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Yeah, coz that really hurts. What I don't get is, does he actually think he's presented or defended his views here ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
but you know I am not ignorant.
Do I ? It seems to me like you accept whatever drivel crosses your path. I don't care what crackpot theories you subscribe to, this IS the soapbox, but you need to be willing to discuss and defend your views, not just posting links.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
. You probably have a sense of control and some power over situations, you don't know what real power feels like.
Yeah, you're right, I don't have any idea what it feels like to have the sort of power the president does.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
hey want to globalize all nations by grouping them into superstates (UN, EU) which then groups into the topmost layer which is under control by a very small group of elite people.
How do you know this to be true ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
At the top most layer they can control broad worldwide control.
Why do they want this, how does it affect me and you, and how do you know this is true ? You know the real reason people claim this stuff ? It's because they misunderstand the book of Revelation and try to find what they think it says, out in the real world, so they can foretell the soon end of our society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, you're right, I don't have any idea what it feels like to have the sort of power the president does.
So you agree that once you have real power that it will do some very damaging things to the persons psychology, creating a mindset dominated by having vast control and wealth.
Christian Graus wrote:
How do you know this to be true ?
Everything is right under your nose you just have to open your mind. Its right their in front of your eyes, but its disguised through using television and other media to alter and sustain everyone's mindset. Notice how the media doesn't report on real issued that effect people or there is inadequate coverage on important issues.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why do they want this, how does it affect me and you, and how do you know this is true ?
That is the ultimate goal one could achieve in life. Think of what they feel every second they are alive when they know how much power and wealth they possess. Its a simple concept really, very achievable.
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Well, here's the truth. Most people don't have two brain cells to rub together and will accept whatever slick marketting tells them to believe. And, the other truth is that people like CSS make your views seem almost mainstream, while simultaneously ensuring that ANY sort of ciriticm is easily deflected by lumping it in with his wacko conspiracy theories. So, no matter which way you look at it, you're screwed. I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
There is no way he could have been elected if people actually realized it was a bad association. The news channels took care of that. Almost all of the population have never seen or heard Obama other than the TV, internet, and newspapers. Also take into consideration the increased police control worldwide. Police will arrest you for not complying with every demand no matter what it is, which they call obstruction of justice. Random checkpoints are an example of this. You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over. We are increasingly loosing our rights as human beings, we are be dehumanized by building our own prison, you can't escape society. Think about that when you are in a large city in a skyscraper.
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Yeah, coz that really hurts. What I don't get is, does he actually think he's presented or defended his views here ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
What I don't get is, does he actually think he's presented or defended his views here ?
Broadened out the question for you. . . No, he doesn't. He responds, he envies, he justifies, he hates, but he doesn't really think.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
There is no way he could have been elected if people actually realized it was a bad association. The news channels took care of that. Almost all of the population have never seen or heard Obama other than the TV, internet, and newspapers. Also take into consideration the increased police control worldwide. Police will arrest you for not complying with every demand no matter what it is, which they call obstruction of justice. Random checkpoints are an example of this. You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over. We are increasingly loosing our rights as human beings, we are be dehumanized by building our own prison, you can't escape society. Think about that when you are in a large city in a skyscraper.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over.
Driving without a license again, were you?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, you're right, I don't have any idea what it feels like to have the sort of power the president does.
So you agree that once you have real power that it will do some very damaging things to the persons psychology, creating a mindset dominated by having vast control and wealth.
Christian Graus wrote:
How do you know this to be true ?
Everything is right under your nose you just have to open your mind. Its right their in front of your eyes, but its disguised through using television and other media to alter and sustain everyone's mindset. Notice how the media doesn't report on real issued that effect people or there is inadequate coverage on important issues.
Christian Graus wrote:
Why do they want this, how does it affect me and you, and how do you know this is true ?
That is the ultimate goal one could achieve in life. Think of what they feel every second they are alive when they know how much power and wealth they possess. Its a simple concept really, very achievable.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
So you agree that once you have real power that it will do some very damaging things to the persons psychology, creating a mindset dominated by having vast control and wealth.
Hell, no. I would accept that COULD happen. But all it did to Clinton, for example, was make him decide it didn't matter if Hillary refused to give him a blow job, he could still get one.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Everything is right under your nose you just have to open your mind
This is what you keep saying. And, it's complete crap. Either you can offer proof, or you cannot. If you cannot, then obviously, you have no reason to believe this stuff, either.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
but its disguised through using television and other media to alter and sustain everyone's mindset
I watch literally zero TV. I read almost no news. What is sustaining my mindset, code project ? Is Chris in the Illuminati ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Notice how the media doesn't report on real issued that effect people or there is inadequate coverage on important issues.
You're mistaking the purpose of hte media. It is to make money. If people were more literate and cared about real issues, those issues would get wider coverage. People care about when Paris Hilton last had sex with a stranger, or when Britney showed the world her freshly shaved goodie basket.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Think of what they feel every second they are alive when they know how much power and wealth they possess.
OK, so they want power, to have it. And you don't want them to have it, because they want it ? Is that the whole story ? Again, any proof for any of this, or are you just repeating stuff you read on websites with no actual proof or reason to know it's true ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
There is no way he could have been elected if people actually realized it was a bad association. The news channels took care of that. Almost all of the population have never seen or heard Obama other than the TV, internet, and newspapers. Also take into consideration the increased police control worldwide. Police will arrest you for not complying with every demand no matter what it is, which they call obstruction of justice. Random checkpoints are an example of this. You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over. We are increasingly loosing our rights as human beings, we are be dehumanized by building our own prison, you can't escape society. Think about that when you are in a large city in a skyscraper.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Almost all of the population have never seen or heard Obama other than the TV, internet, and newspapers.
More people believe he is a Muslim than is remotely reasonable ( given that he isn't ). So, the media lies. Both sides lie. So what ? That's the world you live in.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Also take into consideration the increased police control worldwide
This is a pile of lies purpetrated by gun nuts.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Police will arrest you for not complying with every demand no matter what it is, which they call obstruction of justice
This is paranoia. You should not take drugs if you're subject to such irrational fears and mental issues. I am not joking.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Random checkpoints are an example of this. You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over.
This happens where in the US ? I have seen more of the US than you are likely to, driven in most states I have visited, and never seen this happen, or heard of it. And, of course if you run, the police will chase you. Are you insane ? You have identity papers ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Think about that when you are in a large city in a skyscraper.
Well, I prefer country life, but I can see why some people like the city.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
So you agree that once you have real power that it will do some very damaging things to the persons psychology, creating a mindset dominated by having vast control and wealth.
Hell, no. I would accept that COULD happen. But all it did to Clinton, for example, was make him decide it didn't matter if Hillary refused to give him a blow job, he could still get one.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Everything is right under your nose you just have to open your mind
This is what you keep saying. And, it's complete crap. Either you can offer proof, or you cannot. If you cannot, then obviously, you have no reason to believe this stuff, either.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
but its disguised through using television and other media to alter and sustain everyone's mindset
I watch literally zero TV. I read almost no news. What is sustaining my mindset, code project ? Is Chris in the Illuminati ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Notice how the media doesn't report on real issued that effect people or there is inadequate coverage on important issues.
You're mistaking the purpose of hte media. It is to make money. If people were more literate and cared about real issues, those issues would get wider coverage. People care about when Paris Hilton last had sex with a stranger, or when Britney showed the world her freshly shaved goodie basket.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Think of what they feel every second they are alive when they know how much power and wealth they possess.
OK, so they want power, to have it. And you don't want them to have it, because they want it ? Is that the whole story ? Again, any proof for any of this, or are you just repeating stuff you read on websites with no actual proof or reason to know it's true ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
I watch literally zero TV. I read almost no news. What is sustaining my mindset, code project ? Is Chris in the Illuminati ?
That is your number one problem. You are ignorant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Again, any proof for any of this, or are you just repeating stuff you read on websites with no actual proof or reason to know it's true ?
You have a very constrained thought process. You think on rigid guidelines set by the society you live in.
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over.
Driving without a license again, were you?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
I doubt he has a license. I could think of many things that Patty and Selma from the Simpsons would say to him if he were in their line at the DMV.
"The clue train passed his station without stopping." - John Simmons / outlaw programmer "Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon "Not only do you continue to babble nonsense, you can't even correctly remember the nonsense you babbled just minutes ago." - Rob Graham
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Well, here's the truth. Most people don't have two brain cells to rub together and will accept whatever slick marketting tells them to believe. And, the other truth is that people like CSS make your views seem almost mainstream, while simultaneously ensuring that ANY sort of ciriticm is easily deflected by lumping it in with his wacko conspiracy theories. So, no matter which way you look at it, you're screwed. I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
I would challange you to indicate how they could possibly be overstated. He has never even tried to refute them aside from an inane "I never heard any of it" plea. The notion that the man was rubbing elbows with the likes of Wright and Ayers his entire adult life and was completely ignorant of what they beleived is pretty damnd incredible.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The people who are trully "allowing other people to define their opinions and their views" are those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that this man is not what his image machine has created as an obvious facade.
Not to mention those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that Governor Palin is not what her image machine created as an obvious facade. It's called charisma, Stan. Deal with it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Not to mention those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that Governor Palin is not what her image machine created as an obvious facade.
That is the second time you have tried to make that ridiculous comparision. Palen is popular with conservatives, including myself. But there are damned few of us who consider her to be any more than a mainstream conservative, and unapologetically so. Her background is as mainstream American as it could possibly be. Obama's isn't. I realize that there is a concerted effort to make anyone who openly acknowleges religion to be some kind of radical on a par with the kind of radicalism represented by Wright and Ayers but it is nothing but propaganda. Obama is in a league all of his own - a phenomenon that simply has never occured in our national history - a man with no personal accomplishments, unremarkable intellectual credentials, with an unbroken personnel history of radical, anti-American associations, who is revered by a majority far beyond anything any American president has ever experienced - including Washington, FDR and Reagan.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I watch literally zero TV. I read almost no news. What is sustaining my mindset, code project ? Is Chris in the Illuminati ?
That is your number one problem. You are ignorant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Again, any proof for any of this, or are you just repeating stuff you read on websites with no actual proof or reason to know it's true ?
You have a very constrained thought process. You think on rigid guidelines set by the society you live in.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
That is your number one problem. You are ignorant.
So, if I watched the news, 'they' would be using that to control me. Because I don't watch TV, I am ignorant ? See how, no matter what I say, it feeds your agenda, which is that you're better than me because you buy into stuff that no intelligent person would accept without some form of proof ? Proof being the thing I keep asking you for.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
You have a very constrained thought process. You think on rigid guidelines set by the society you live in.
You are correct. Like most members of society, I don't believe anything just because people say it, or write it on the web. I ask people to prove it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Oakman wrote:
Not to mention those who refuse to consider any possibility at all that Governor Palin is not what her image machine created as an obvious facade.
That is the second time you have tried to make that ridiculous comparision. Palen is popular with conservatives, including myself. But there are damned few of us who consider her to be any more than a mainstream conservative, and unapologetically so. Her background is as mainstream American as it could possibly be. Obama's isn't. I realize that there is a concerted effort to make anyone who openly acknowleges religion to be some kind of radical on a par with the kind of radicalism represented by Wright and Ayers but it is nothing but propaganda. Obama is in a league all of his own - a phenomenon that simply has never occured in our national history - a man with no personal accomplishments, unremarkable intellectual credentials, with an unbroken personnel history of radical, anti-American associations, who is revered by a majority far beyond anything any American president has ever experienced - including Washington, FDR and Reagan.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But there are damned few of us who consider her to be any more than a mainstream conservative, and unapologetically so
You prove my point, by ignoring the claims made for her that turned out to be untrue. Perhaps you can claim that her Neaderthalic religious beliefs are conservative as long as you accept the hijacking of the conservative movement by the christofacists, but you reveal your blindspots when you claim that they represent mainstream America. Most assuredly you deny the rockstar status created for her by the right-wing radio talkers. She has a lot going for and I don't mean to dismiss her. She is definitely a force to be reckoned with and I admire her self-possesion. But to claim that no part of her appeal is due to her charisma is mostly, I suspect, arguing with me because I pointed out something you missed.
Stan Shannon wrote:
including Washington, FDR and Reagan
Neither you nor I was around for two out of the three of those guys. We have only other people's word for how much in the thrall of those leaders, the American public was. Unless, of course, you're channeling Edgar Cayce.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Almost all of the population have never seen or heard Obama other than the TV, internet, and newspapers.
More people believe he is a Muslim than is remotely reasonable ( given that he isn't ). So, the media lies. Both sides lie. So what ? That's the world you live in.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Also take into consideration the increased police control worldwide
This is a pile of lies purpetrated by gun nuts.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Police will arrest you for not complying with every demand no matter what it is, which they call obstruction of justice
This is paranoia. You should not take drugs if you're subject to such irrational fears and mental issues. I am not joking.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Random checkpoints are an example of this. You must have your identity papers and have your car searched. If you don't comply or if you try to get away with them they will send a police car after you and pull you over.
This happens where in the US ? I have seen more of the US than you are likely to, driven in most states I have visited, and never seen this happen, or heard of it. And, of course if you run, the police will chase you. Are you insane ? You have identity papers ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Think about that when you are in a large city in a skyscraper.
Well, I prefer country life, but I can see why some people like the city.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I personally think that you overstate the 'radicalism of his past associations' and the assumption that he's not allowed to have formed opinions less radical than the most radical elements in his past.
I would challange you to indicate how they could possibly be overstated. He has never even tried to refute them aside from an inane "I never heard any of it" plea. The notion that the man was rubbing elbows with the likes of Wright and Ayers his entire adult life and was completely ignorant of what they beleived is pretty damnd incredible.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I would challange you to indicate how they could possibly be overstated.
Almost any of your posts regarding the man will do as an example. Your paranoia colors everything you write about Obama.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
That is your number one problem. You are ignorant.
So, if I watched the news, 'they' would be using that to control me. Because I don't watch TV, I am ignorant ? See how, no matter what I say, it feeds your agenda, which is that you're better than me because you buy into stuff that no intelligent person would accept without some form of proof ? Proof being the thing I keep asking you for.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
You have a very constrained thought process. You think on rigid guidelines set by the society you live in.
You are correct. Like most members of society, I don't believe anything just because people say it, or write it on the web. I ask people to prove it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
So, if I watched the news, 'they' would be using that to control me. Because I don't watch TV, I am ignorant ?
Yeah. See, you need to watch a lot of TV. While under the influence of powerful hallucinogens (to "open your mind"). Then you'll quickly see the master plan laid bare before you. FWIW, CSS has it terribly wrong - the goal of the plot is actually to place control of The World's economy under the iron paw of Henry Kissinger's cat, Mr. Skittles. Obviously, the good Cap'n is using the wrong sort of drugs. No matter - we will all soon tremble before His Unblinking Wiskered Gaze...
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.