Obama's youth training. [modified]
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Pierre Leclercq wrote:
think the US is a country where minorities are treated quite decently compared to other places.
I would hope so, too. But, still, for this to be visibly true in such a meaningful way, must surely mean a lot ?
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
How about a bush man elected to the presidency in Australia?
A bush man ? We don't have a president, nor do we even get a say in who leads us, directly, which probably contributes to making the system more conservative.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
People from other countries actually had built profitable businesses for transfering human resources from Africa to America. And most of all, African people themselves were part of the business!! They eagerly captured men and women from nearby villages and sold them to the slavers for a profit!
I know all of this.
Pierre Leclercq wrote:
To my knowledge, the US has quite a number of laws, regulations and principles which already are meant to protect minorities and preserve diversity.
Yeah, but, so what ? That doesn't change that the majority of people in prison, on death row, or generally in poverty, are black. Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
Laws do not create fairness, they don't govern how people act day to day
Ouch! This is a very pessimistic view of the system. To me it looks like you are well acclimated to our "pretty fair", "pretty rich", "pretty well policed" western societies. People obey laws, but it is not always republican laws. Might be religion laws (govern some very fine grained aspects of a life), gang laws, or hopefully legal laws. Unfortunately for some reason for some people, it is not as cool to obey the laws of the republic as to obey some foolish short sighted local street law. Might be a problem of perception, or education, or just the lack of a decent role model. I wish the election of this new president will make it look cool to be within the system for those who just do not see the point in being legal.
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Christian Graus wrote:
So, is it any wonder that such people are excited to see one of their number rising to the highest job in the country and hoping that this could signal the end of the prejudice and unfair treatment they have endured for generations ?
If that is true why has there been no support for any number of highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians from the African American community?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians
This is an interesting point. I wonder how Condie would have fared, had she been interested?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaAxmrAzeNI[^] Now that is obvious proof right there. There is your evidence you need Christan Grass. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1EKBsPedo&feature=related[^]
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Seems like some parts of the USA have still not heard of the word hubris (let alone understood what it means).
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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Seems like some parts of the USA have still not heard of the word hubris (let alone understood what it means).
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
GuyThiebaut wrote:
Seems like some parts of the USA have still not heard of the word hubris (let alone understood what it means).
Let me see if I can use it in a sentence. The meaning of the "hubris" (preceding it with "the word" was a wee bit redundant, don't you think?) was demonstrated to the world by the British Empire which committed it daily for a couple of hundred years and left as its legacy most of the problems in the middle east that plague us today. How's that?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Stan Shannon wrote:
highly qualified, competent and far more accomplished conservative black politicians
This is an interesting point. I wonder how Condie would have fared, had she been interested?
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Well, to be honest, if you were willing to discuss your point of view, I'd be happy to discuss it with you. So long as you appear to be blinded by irrational beliefs with no shred of evidence, then you insult me, I'll insult you, b/c that seems to be all you're willing to entertain. You have actually admitted to being racist in the past, but I do agree that it's wrong to use the race card to deflect criticism. Obama should be as open to public criticism as any elected official.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Why is this guy still allowed to post on these forums? Are there no rules for conduct and behavior?
EliottA wrote:
Are there no rules for conduct and behavior?
Of course there are[^] and Chris tried to enforce them but the little shit kept re-registering under a different name and branched out to writing his pissy little comments in the lounge. Chris either gave up or possibly made a deal to let him shit all over SB as long as he stayed out of the Lounge.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Can you not think for yourself? I have giving you a ton of evidence and you just won't think. You can't draw your own conclusions, they are predefined.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
Seems like some parts of the USA have still not heard of the word hubris (let alone understood what it means).
Let me see if I can use it in a sentence. The meaning of the "hubris" (preceding it with "the word" was a wee bit redundant, don't you think?) was demonstrated to the world by the British Empire which committed it daily for a couple of hundred years and left as its legacy most of the problems in the middle east that plague us today. How's that?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
and left as its legacy most of the problems in the middle east that plague us today.
Hoy! Be fair! Not just the Middle East: problems in Africa, the Indian sub-continent, swathes of the Far East, Wales, ... The sun never sets on our legacy, mate.
Bob Emmett
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Oakman wrote:
and left as its legacy most of the problems in the middle east that plague us today.
Hoy! Be fair! Not just the Middle East: problems in Africa, the Indian sub-continent, swathes of the Far East, Wales, ... The sun never sets on our legacy, mate.
Bob Emmett
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EliottA wrote:
Are there no rules for conduct and behavior?
Of course there are[^] and Chris tried to enforce them but the little shit kept re-registering under a different name and branched out to writing his pissy little comments in the lounge. Chris either gave up or possibly made a deal to let him shit all over SB as long as he stayed out of the Lounge.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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This guy is such a pisser, seeing backwards racist comments everyday tend to get annoying quite often.
EliottA wrote:
This guy is such a pisser, seeing backwards racist comments everyday tend to get annoying quite often.
He's a troll. He says whatever seems to get him the most response. The good news is that one of the regs, Diego Moita, has created a grease monkey script for CP, if you use FF, that blocks the posts of any one you find annoying. Diegio's Script[^] About GreaseMonkey[^] (Just in case it is new to you)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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EliottA wrote:
This guy is such a pisser, seeing backwards racist comments everyday tend to get annoying quite often.
He's a troll. He says whatever seems to get him the most response. The good news is that one of the regs, Diego Moita, has created a grease monkey script for CP, if you use FF, that blocks the posts of any one you find annoying. Diegio's Script[^] About GreaseMonkey[^] (Just in case it is new to you)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Bob Emmett wrote:
The sun never sets on our legacy, mate.
My humble apologies! . . .Does this mean you are taking responsibility for Australia, too? :omg:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote:
Does this mean you are taking responsibility for Australia, too?
I suppose that onus, too, must fall upon us. :sigh: (BTW: That was a London 'mate', mate. Not an Oz 'mate'.)
Bob Emmett
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Bob Emmett wrote:
I suppose that onus, too, must fall upon us.
Not only that, but the USA is your fault, too.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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This is because you have decided that Tony Dungey is a flaming liberal? That Wesley Powell is a Muslim appeaser? And that even though it is the Blacks who are being blamed for voting in the anti-gay marriage law in California - the same Blacks who went 9:1 for Obama - they really are not good Christians? When did Armstrong Williams and JC Watts become left-wing? Naturally most dyed-in-the-wool conservatives, regardless of skin color, are lukewarm towards Obama at best. To single out Black Conservatives and demand that they put skin color before political commitment is a slight bit of racism, isn't it? Can't Blacks be allowed to stay true to their beliefs, or is that reserved for Whites?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote:
This is because you have decided that Tony Dungey is a flaming liberal? That Wesley Powell is a Muslim appeaser? And that even though it is the Blacks who are being blamed for voting in the anti-gay marriage law in California - the same Blacks who went 9:1 for Obama - they really are not good Christians? When did Armstrong Williams and JC Watts become left-wing? Naturally most dyed-in-the-wool conservatives, regardless of skin color, are lukewarm towards Obama at best. To single out Black Conservatives and demand that they put skin color before political commitment is a slight bit of racism, isn't it? Can't Blacks be allowed to stay true to their beliefs, or is that reserved for Whites?
I actually have no clue what you are talking about. My point was that if it were simply a matter of the black community supporting black candidates, they would be supporting conservatives as much as they do liberal blacks. They don't. Clearly, the issue isnt', as Christian implied, a racial issue. It is a political issue. Blacks supported Obama in such large numbers primarily because of their perspective of his political agenda, and not because he is black.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Not to worry. Our society is actively working to make the US a beacon of new age moral rectitude by the aggressive elimination of all those who dare raise any question concerning the spiritual purifying certainty that we are all the same. In fact, our children are taught to chant that every day in school "We are all the same. We are all the same..."
The people that champion that philosophy will eventually succumb to the evidence that it is stupid and doesn't work; that's the scientific way of doing it. Remember science? That thing you constantly malign and pervert despite your dubious assertions that you trust in it?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
The people that champion that philosophy will eventually succumb to the evidence that it is stupid and doesn't work; that's the scientific way of doing it. Remember science? That thing you constantly malign and pervert despite your dubious assertions that you trust in it?
So, your saying that science disproves racism? That we are all exactly the same? Thats the scientific conclusion?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.