Why Obama's Tax 'Rebate' Plan Cannot Succeed
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And what are your thoughts on an alternative ? How do you think Obama should breathe life into the economy ? What do you perceive as the main issues facing the economy ? What points in this article do you agree with, and which ones do you have clear alternative views on ? In other words, did you think about this article, or find someone who doesn't like obama and post it here as 'proof' of all your whacko conspiracy theories ? You know, making fun of your is pretty easy, and not the sort of person I am. I am genuinely trying to prompt some actual thought on your part, here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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And what are your thoughts on an alternative ? How do you think Obama should breathe life into the economy ? What do you perceive as the main issues facing the economy ? What points in this article do you agree with, and which ones do you have clear alternative views on ? In other words, did you think about this article, or find someone who doesn't like obama and post it here as 'proof' of all your whacko conspiracy theories ? You know, making fun of your is pretty easy, and not the sort of person I am. I am genuinely trying to prompt some actual thought on your part, here.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
And what are your thoughts on an alternative ?
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Christian Graus wrote:
How do you think Obama should breathe life into the economy ?
Abolish the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.
Christian Graus wrote:
What do you perceive as the main issues facing the economy ?
Some major money pipelines shut down causing a cascade of shutdowns.
Christian Graus wrote:
find someone who doesn't like obama and post it here as 'proof' of all your whacko conspiracy theories ?
It is always good to be suspicious of people with power.
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Christian Graus wrote:
And what are your thoughts on an alternative ?
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Christian Graus wrote:
How do you think Obama should breathe life into the economy ?
Abolish the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.
Christian Graus wrote:
What do you perceive as the main issues facing the economy ?
Some major money pipelines shut down causing a cascade of shutdowns.
Christian Graus wrote:
find someone who doesn't like obama and post it here as 'proof' of all your whacko conspiracy theories ?
It is always good to be suspicious of people with power.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Where ? Not in this thread.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
Abolish the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.
And replace them with what system ?
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
It is always good to be suspicious of people with power.
Sure - so long as it's based in reality.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Christian Graus wrote:
And what are your thoughts on an alternative ?
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Christian Graus wrote:
How do you think Obama should breathe life into the economy ?
Abolish the Federal Reserve and fractional reserve banking.
Christian Graus wrote:
What do you perceive as the main issues facing the economy ?
Some major money pipelines shut down causing a cascade of shutdowns.
Christian Graus wrote:
find someone who doesn't like obama and post it here as 'proof' of all your whacko conspiracy theories ?
It is always good to be suspicious of people with power.
CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Yeah, I'm major-league rich. Since everyone has their price, I'm willing to purchase your life so that afterwards I can commoditize you and rent you out as an opinion machine. What are you going for now, 50 dollars?
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Yeah, I'm major-league rich. Since everyone has their price, I'm willing to purchase your life so that afterwards I can commoditize you and rent you out as an opinion machine. What are you going for now, 50 dollars?
John, you may find this interesting 'No recovery soon' in bank credit[^] Consumers and companies will continue to find it difficult to access credit for the next one to two years, the boss of Barclays bank has said. Credit remains available to households and businesses but the amount available is shrinking, John Varley told the BBC. He said he did not expect banks to start to increase their lending again until 2010 at the earliest. This begs the question that even though UK Government has taken priority shareholder status with many of the UK Banks, the statements by Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling about forcing banks to borrow maybe these now look as hollow threats. If banks do not expect to increase lending again until 2010 this not only blows away the Pre-Budget report made just a couple of weeks ago with respect to a HM Treasury expected improving situation from mid next year but perhaps suggests that the recession could deteriorate further perhaps into depression. Am being being too pessimistic?
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John, you may find this interesting 'No recovery soon' in bank credit[^] Consumers and companies will continue to find it difficult to access credit for the next one to two years, the boss of Barclays bank has said. Credit remains available to households and businesses but the amount available is shrinking, John Varley told the BBC. He said he did not expect banks to start to increase their lending again until 2010 at the earliest. This begs the question that even though UK Government has taken priority shareholder status with many of the UK Banks, the statements by Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling about forcing banks to borrow maybe these now look as hollow threats. If banks do not expect to increase lending again until 2010 this not only blows away the Pre-Budget report made just a couple of weeks ago with respect to a HM Treasury expected improving situation from mid next year but perhaps suggests that the recession could deteriorate further perhaps into depression. Am being being too pessimistic?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
This begs the question that even though UK Government has taken priority shareholder status with many of the UK Banks, the statements by Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling about forcing banks to borrow maybe these now look as hollow threats. If banks do not expect to increase start lending again until 2010 this not only blows away the Pre-Budget report made just a couple of weeks ago with respect to a HM Treasury expected improving situation from mid next year but perhaps suggests that the recession could deteriorate further perhaps into depression. Am being being too pessimistic?
I too expect it to get worse. I think the credit markets will stay stagnant for some time. The reason being is that everyone is expecting a downturn and I think there will be a lot of "wait and see" type behaviour; during which time lending will be scarce. It's bad overall because small business depends strongly on freely available lines of credit. Also, I don't think we are finished with the financial fallout - it won't be long before distressed hedge funds start to fail. When hedge fund positions unwind, I think the markets will be hit hard. Look for more unemployment and more recession. I am suspecting we are going to see, if not a lost decade, at least a lost 5 years, economically. I think its a real mess, I really do. I think people are being overly optimistic at the moment.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
This begs the question that even though UK Government has taken priority shareholder status with many of the UK Banks, the statements by Gordon Brown and Chancellor Darling about forcing banks to borrow maybe these now look as hollow threats. If banks do not expect to increase start lending again until 2010 this not only blows away the Pre-Budget report made just a couple of weeks ago with respect to a HM Treasury expected improving situation from mid next year but perhaps suggests that the recession could deteriorate further perhaps into depression. Am being being too pessimistic?
I too expect it to get worse. I think the credit markets will stay stagnant for some time. The reason being is that everyone is expecting a downturn and I think there will be a lot of "wait and see" type behaviour; during which time lending will be scarce. It's bad overall because small business depends strongly on freely available lines of credit. Also, I don't think we are finished with the financial fallout - it won't be long before distressed hedge funds start to fail. When hedge fund positions unwind, I think the markets will be hit hard. Look for more unemployment and more recession. I am suspecting we are going to see, if not a lost decade, at least a lost 5 years, economically. I think its a real mess, I really do. I think people are being overly optimistic at the moment.
73Zeppelin wrote:
there will be a lot of "wait and see" type behaviour
Earlier this year, before this blew up, I was making plans for next year. To sell up and buy something a little smaller. With most of my daughters moving out to create their own independent lives, I no longer need such a large house. That has now been put on-hold as house values have become unpredictable and I don't like being in that kind of situation where planning cannot realistically be done any more with any degree of comfort.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
there will be a lot of "wait and see" type behaviour
Earlier this year, before this blew up, I was making plans for next year. To sell up and buy something a little smaller. With most of my daughters moving out to create their own independent lives, I no longer need such a large house. That has now been put on-hold as house values have become unpredictable and I don't like being in that kind of situation where planning cannot realistically be done any more with any degree of comfort.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
I don't like being in that kind of situation where planning cannot realistically be done any more with any degree of comfort
Yes, and I don't think small, private investors/consumers are the only ones who share those sentiments.
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CaptainSeeSarp wrote:
I have already thoroughly explained with protest from Zepllin (a rich man).
Yeah, I'm major-league rich. Since everyone has their price, I'm willing to purchase your life so that afterwards I can commoditize you and rent you out as an opinion machine. What are you going for now, 50 dollars?
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What are you going for now, 50 dollars
He seems to have stopped replying. Did you get a private email with a counter offer?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What are you going for now, 50 dollars
He seems to have stopped replying. Did you get a private email with a counter offer?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
He seems to have stopped replying. Did you get a private email with a counter offer?
There's no way an email from him would get past my Grade 1 level text filter, so I have no idea.
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I think so. I mean, 50 US dollars is a considerable sum for a guy like him. What's that, like 24 hours of work at his wage rate? It's a lot of money.
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I think so. I mean, 50 US dollars is a considerable sum for a guy like him. What's that, like 24 hours of work at his wage rate? It's a lot of money.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I mean, 50 US dollars is a considerable sum for a guy like him.
I remember how pissed he got when I said I'd left a restaurant tip in excess of $60.00. I imagine at the place he (used to?) works $60.00 covers food, drinks, and tip for a family of ten.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I mean, 50 US dollars is a considerable sum for a guy like him.
I remember how pissed he got when I said I'd left a restaurant tip in excess of $60.00. I imagine at the place he (used to?) works $60.00 covers food, drinks, and tip for a family of ten.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface