Speaking of socialists
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Then the more reason to have a watchdog that has teeth
No one is suggesting otherwise - just as long as all the watch dog does is watch and bark when needed, and only bites those who are actually doing something illegal.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
ensuring fairness, soundness, corporate culpabiity and compensation schemes for those hurt by bad practice or malpractice.
No, trying to do that is what is causing all the problems. Life ain't fair and cannot be made so, get used to it. The more authority that is given to government to make it fair, the more dysfunctional all of society will become.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No, trying to do that is what is causing all the problems. Life ain't fair and cannot be made so, get used to it. The more authority that is given to government to make it fair, the more dysfunctional all of society will become.
Kill or be killed isn't the answer howsoever much it reflects your Jeffersonian heritage.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No, trying to do that is what is causing all the problems. Life ain't fair and cannot be made so, get used to it. The more authority that is given to government to make it fair, the more dysfunctional all of society will become.
Kill or be killed isn't the answer howsoever much it reflects your Jeffersonian heritage.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Kill or be killed isn't the answer howsoever much it reflects your Jeffersonian heritage.
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Kill or be killed isn't the answer howsoever much it reflects your Jeffersonian heritage.
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
life cannot be made fair
Very true. Life generally is not fair. BUT, if Government can level the playing field a little you will indeed reduce the human capacity to kill or be killed. And if it has not escaped your attention, this kill or be killed (include there suicide) attitude has never gone away. Since the Great Depression, people have either took the "easy" way out or had it imposed upon them or they imposed it upon others - and just a few days before this very Xmas, an investor committed suicide - is this suicide a measure of your [quote of Stan] Life ain't fair and cannot be made so, get used to it. [/quote], if so, that is a shame and a waste of a valuable (I don't mean his cash wealth or lack thereof) human being.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Kill or be killed isn't the answer howsoever much it reflects your Jeffersonian heritage.
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Absolute assininity. The history of mankind has been a gradual but measurable march towards making life as fair as possible. The greater a society works towards making life fair by say, outlawing slavery, or, oh I don't know, giving women the vote, the more civilized it becomes. Social Darwinism is nothing but some stale sugar frosting on a racist, sexist view of the universe designed to give comfort to fat old white men who cling to the status quo.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Absolute assininity. The history of mankind has been a gradual but measurable march towards making life as fair as possible. The greater a society works towards making life fair by say, outlawing slavery, or, oh I don't know, giving women the vote, the more civilized it becomes. Social Darwinism is nothing but some stale sugar frosting on a racist, sexist view of the universe designed to give comfort to fat old white men who cling to the status quo.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Are you calling Stan fat?
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Are you calling Stan fat?
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Rob Graham wrote:
Are you calling Stan fat?
Well, he's white and he's almost as old as I am, so, in the immortal words of Meatloaf, two out of three ain't bad.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Hey, for all I know you might have hit three out of three.
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Hey, for all I know you might have hit three out of three.
Rob Graham wrote:
Hey, for all I know you might have hit three out of three
It looks like in his picture he hasn't had a square meal in some time. And needs a nap badly. :laugh:
Your silly assed, irrelevant opinion has been duly noted. Now take it elsewhere!
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Stan Shannon wrote:
life cannot be made fair
Very true. Life generally is not fair. BUT, if Government can level the playing field a little you will indeed reduce the human capacity to kill or be killed. And if it has not escaped your attention, this kill or be killed (include there suicide) attitude has never gone away. Since the Great Depression, people have either took the "easy" way out or had it imposed upon them or they imposed it upon others - and just a few days before this very Xmas, an investor committed suicide - is this suicide a measure of your [quote of Stan] Life ain't fair and cannot be made so, get used to it. [/quote], if so, that is a shame and a waste of a valuable (I don't mean his cash wealth or lack thereof) human being.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
BUT, if Government can level the playing field a little
It can't. The government cannot do anything 'a little'. The absolute worst thing you can do to any society is to give it a government that actually believes that it can by some economic formula or other act dynamically to make life better for people. The best thing it can do is to enforce a few simple laws, protect the borders, and let people manage themselves and their communities as best they can according to their traditional religious values. It cannot be made better than that.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
No one is talking about kill or be killed, but life cannot be made fair and the harder you try to make it fair the greater the likelihood of reverting back to a kill or be killed society.
Absolute assininity. The history of mankind has been a gradual but measurable march towards making life as fair as possible. The greater a society works towards making life fair by say, outlawing slavery, or, oh I don't know, giving women the vote, the more civilized it becomes. Social Darwinism is nothing but some stale sugar frosting on a racist, sexist view of the universe designed to give comfort to fat old white men who cling to the status quo.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
The history of mankind has been a gradual but measurable march towards making life as fair as possible. The greater a society works towards making life fair by say, outlawing slavery, or, oh I don't know, giving women the vote, the more civilized it becomes.
Not true. There is an inhrent limit to fairness. Outlawing slavery, and women voting does not constitute any direct attempt to assure anyone some predefined level of economic fairness. Of course you can, and should, strive to make life as just as possible. But, as is demonstrated by the current controversy with gay marriage, there is a limit to even that while maintaining any semblance of actual civil order that is not dictated from some kind of dictatorial authority.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Rob Graham wrote:
Hey, for all I know you might have hit three out of three
It looks like in his picture he hasn't had a square meal in some time. And needs a nap badly. :laugh:
Your silly assed, irrelevant opinion has been duly noted. Now take it elsewhere!
Tim Craig wrote:
It looks like in his picture he hasn't had a square meal in some time. And needs a nap badly.
I do need to shed a few pounds, but I can still pass the army physical fitness test without too much effort.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
The history of mankind has been a gradual but measurable march towards making life as fair as possible. The greater a society works towards making life fair by say, outlawing slavery, or, oh I don't know, giving women the vote, the more civilized it becomes.
Not true. There is an inhrent limit to fairness. Outlawing slavery, and women voting does not constitute any direct attempt to assure anyone some predefined level of economic fairness. Of course you can, and should, strive to make life as just as possible. But, as is demonstrated by the current controversy with gay marriage, there is a limit to even that while maintaining any semblance of actual civil order that is not dictated from some kind of dictatorial authority.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
There is an inhrent limit to fairness
Prove it. Where is there a natural law saying this is the case? Point out the founder of a religion who has as one of his precepts, that there is a limit to fairness. Show me where in the charter of the UN or the Constitution of the US or the common law of Britain - or for that matter the Constitution of Russia that codifies unfairness. It is when we look at the Mugabes and the Hitlers and the other tinhorn dictators that exist today or who have ever existed that we discover men who raise their voices with yours and shout - "we can only be a little bit fair! Justice is allowed only when there's no controversy!"
Stan Shannon wrote:
But, as is demonstrated by the current controversy with gay marriage, there is a limit to even that while maintaining any semblance of actual civil order that is not dictated from some kind of dictatorial authority.
Yeah that's what your philosophical forbears said about them commie nigra agitaters from the Nawth when the bus boycott started.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm saying minimal regulation.
What are your thoughts about "a little bit pregnant?" How about a treatise on "almost a virgin?"
Stan Shannon wrote:
But government should not regulate or manage business itself.
Why not? As long as it it done by representatives of the peepul? You trust these self-same reprepresentatives to manage everyone's bedroom activity - why not their boardroom activity? Seems to me more people get fucked in the boardroom than in the bedroom . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
How about a treatise on "almost a virgin?"
Only done anal? :laugh:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
There is an inhrent limit to fairness
Prove it. Where is there a natural law saying this is the case? Point out the founder of a religion who has as one of his precepts, that there is a limit to fairness. Show me where in the charter of the UN or the Constitution of the US or the common law of Britain - or for that matter the Constitution of Russia that codifies unfairness. It is when we look at the Mugabes and the Hitlers and the other tinhorn dictators that exist today or who have ever existed that we discover men who raise their voices with yours and shout - "we can only be a little bit fair! Justice is allowed only when there's no controversy!"
Stan Shannon wrote:
But, as is demonstrated by the current controversy with gay marriage, there is a limit to even that while maintaining any semblance of actual civil order that is not dictated from some kind of dictatorial authority.
Yeah that's what your philosophical forbears said about them commie nigra agitaters from the Nawth when the bus boycott started.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Yeah that's what your philosophical forbears said about them commie nigra agitaters from the Nawth when the bus boycott started.
Yeah, them idiots in Boston sure needed to be straightened out back in 74.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Oakman wrote:
How about a treatise on "almost a virgin?"
Only done anal? :laugh:
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Oakman wrote:
Yeah that's what your philosophical forbears said about them commie nigra agitaters from the Nawth when the bus boycott started.
Yeah, them idiots in Boston sure needed to be straightened out back in 74.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Only done anal?
You know you just made Stan run to the bathroom to throw up, don't you?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Yeah, them idiots in Boston sure needed to be straightened out back in 74
Hey, I was living in Boston in '74 - oh that's what you were referring to? . .
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Were you living in south Boston?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Were you living in south Boston?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read