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  • L Lost User

    No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles. Just because someone is goating you into it doesn't mean you have to take the bait. If you don't see that, then there'd be a lot more trouble if you where an elected official.

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    EliottA wrote:

    No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles.

    But you *did* say that. You're just not honest enough to admit it.

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    • D DRHuff

      EliottA wrote:

      but you pick your battles

      This is a battle that I think should be picked. Freedom of speech is threatened across Europe and North America by fear of "offending" Muslims and sending them out into the streets in a violent mob (mmmm Car-b-que). If the police believe that a protest could turn violent they should be there in enough numbers to prevent it. Elected officials who never pick a battle is a large part of the problems we have today. Stand for something - anything.

      I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Dave

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      I agree entirely, but stand up for it when its necessary. There is no need to egg on a crowd that is already roudy. We are winning the battle where it counts, no need to go for the overkill.

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      • I Ilion

        Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

        :laugh:

        Are you really as dense as you pretend to be? Why do you bold part of the thought/speculation and ignore the rest, the important part?

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        We all see what we want to see. I prefer smelling myself.

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          No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles. Just because someone is goating you into it doesn't mean you have to take the bait. If you don't see that, then there'd be a lot more trouble if you where an elected official.

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          EliottA wrote:

          No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles. Just because someone is goating you into it doesn't mean you have to take the bait.

          You fight your enemy where you find him.

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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          • B Bassam Abdul Baki

            We all see what we want to see. I prefer smelling myself.

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            Ilion
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            Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

            We all see what we want to see. I prefer smelling myself.

            No doubt. But isn't the important question whether anyone else shares this preference? edit: And isn't it odd that you intend to simultaneously assert that there is no objective truth, or at least that objective truth cannot be known if it does exist (which assertion is a self-contradiction), with the assertion that what you see, or choose to see, is objectively true?

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            • I Ilion

              Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

              We all see what we want to see. I prefer smelling myself.

              No doubt. But isn't the important question whether anyone else shares this preference? edit: And isn't it odd that you intend to simultaneously assert that there is no objective truth, or at least that objective truth cannot be known if it does exist (which assertion is a self-contradiction), with the assertion that what you see, or choose to see, is objectively true?

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              Bassam Abdul Baki
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              I think this opinion and its counter, and every other argument, has plenty of advocates for either side. Otherwise, there wouldn't be conflicts in the world. Now if you went by numbers, you'd probably be in the minority. If you went by "I'm right because I think so", you'd be in the majority, but both sides would fall in the same category. It's too bad they all can't be right. Damn leftists.

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              • S Stan Shannon

                EliottA wrote:

                No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles. Just because someone is goating you into it doesn't mean you have to take the bait.

                You fight your enemy where you find him.

                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                You fight your enemy where you find him.

                I guess they didn't teach you much about Strategy or Tactics in the National Guard, did they?

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                  EliottA wrote:

                  No, I didn't say that, but you pick your battles. Just because someone is goating you into it doesn't mean you have to take the bait.

                  You fight your enemy where you find him.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                  Ilion
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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  You fight your enemy where you find him.

                  And if you're wise, you'll be sure to find him before he's in your living-room.

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                  • I Ilion

                    DRHuff wrote:

                    Because it is way too much to expect people to OBEY the friggin LAW? :omg:

                    Persons of certain "protected" classes are not to be expected to be law-abiding. And certainly not in Canada (of course, in many European countries the crisis-point is even closer). Far too many in "the west" ... and here in the Sandbox ... imagine that we can satisfy Islamic blood-lust by tossing the Jews to them. And, of course, I must be silenced because I scoff at that rank foolishness [edit: both the immorality of it, which is one sort of deliberate foolishness, and the futility of it, which is another].

                    modified on Monday, January 12, 2009 7:28 PM

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                    Ilíon wrote:

                    And, of course, I must be silenced because I scoff at that rank foolishness [edit: both the immorality of it, which is one sort of deliberate foolishness, and the futility of it, which is another].

                    No, you should be silenced because you are a hemorrhoid that has learned how to type.

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                    • O Oakman

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      You fight your enemy where you find him.

                      I guess they didn't teach you much about Strategy or Tactics in the National Guard, did they?

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                      Oakman wrote:

                      I guess they didn't teach you much about Strategy or Tactics in the National Guard, did they?

                      For, as we all know, it is both tactically and strategically sound, to the highest degree, to invite into camp (and give them a place to pitch their own little camp-within-the-camp) those who committed to one's destruction and the destruction of all that one holds dear. But then, DryRot is a cynic (that's how he knows he's superior to you); do cynics hold anything, other than their own superiority, dear?

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                      • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                        I think this opinion and its counter, and every other argument, has plenty of advocates for either side. Otherwise, there wouldn't be conflicts in the world. Now if you went by numbers, you'd probably be in the minority. If you went by "I'm right because I think so", you'd be in the majority, but both sides would fall in the same category. It's too bad they all can't be right. Damn leftists.

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                        Ilion
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                        Truth isn't a matter of counting noses. Nor is logic. Nor is reason.

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                        • I Ilion

                          Oakman wrote:

                          I guess they didn't teach you much about Strategy or Tactics in the National Guard, did they?

                          For, as we all know, it is both tactically and strategically sound, to the highest degree, to invite into camp (and give them a place to pitch their own little camp-within-the-camp) those who committed to one's destruction and the destruction of all that one holds dear. But then, DryRot is a cynic (that's how he knows he's superior to you); do cynics hold anything, other than their own superiority, dear?

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                          Well, Troy, at least Stan had the balls to put on a uniform and end up in Vietnam. You, on the other hand, are far too cowardly to ever do anything like that.

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                          do cynics hold anything dear

                          How should I know? And don't call me "dear."

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                          • I Ilion

                            Ezra Levant is making a different point than I am, and that's OK: Ezra Levant: The Christians are going to save the Jews[^]

                            There was an anti-Semitic protest at Stephen Harper's riding office in Calgary the other day. ... There was precisely one counter-protester, with a tiny Israeli flag: At one point, the police told that counter-protester that if he didn't leave, he'd be arrested for "inciting civil disorder". I'm not making that up -- the lone pro-Israeli protester was told that, not the 175 people trespassing on the parking lot of a private mall. Maybe that's why the cops were too busy to station someone inside. ...

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                            According to this UK website: Madonna targeted by Muslim fanatics over Israel's attack on Gaza[^] How can this be??!!! She's on record as hating Bush! She's on record as stating the "fact" that Bush is the problem in the world (and, unless I'm misremembering, "conservative Christians"). How can *she* be a target?

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                            • O Oakman

                              Well, Troy, at least Stan had the balls to put on a uniform and end up in Vietnam. You, on the other hand, are far too cowardly to ever do anything like that.

                              Ilíon wrote:

                              do cynics hold anything dear

                              How should I know? And don't call me "dear."

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                              Oakman wrote:

                              Ilíon: ... do cynics hold anything ... dear? DryRot: How should I know? And don't call me "dear."

                              Or perhaps it's just his fantasies kicking in again.

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                              • O Oakman

                                Well, Troy, at least Stan had the balls to put on a uniform and end up in Vietnam. You, on the other hand, are far too cowardly to ever do anything like that.

                                Ilíon wrote:

                                do cynics hold anything dear

                                How should I know? And don't call me "dear."

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                                Oakman wrote:

                                Well, Troy, at least Stan had the balls to put on a uniform and end up in Vietnam. You, on the other hand, are far too cowardly to ever do anything like that.

                                You foolish, foolish, intellectually dishonest thing, you. It was *over* years before I came of age. If you weren't so committed to intellectual dishonesty, you'd not step in it all the time like this. But, you can't help but be yorself, can you? edit: Hell! You can track down my address (or so you claim), but you can't figure out my age, even though the two numbers needed to compute it are on one of those pages you love to look at? (Which, by the way, ought to disappear in a few days.) Frankly, I'm shocked that a "chicken-hawk" like you could miss that.

                                modified on Monday, January 12, 2009 8:55 PM

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                                • I Ilion

                                  Truth isn't a matter of counting noses. Nor is logic. Nor is reason.

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                                  Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                  I agree. But truth of events that took place in the past are hard, and sometimes impossible, to prove. So who's being truthful?

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                                  • O Oakman

                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    You fight your enemy where you find him.

                                    I guess they didn't teach you much about Strategy or Tactics in the National Guard, did they?

                                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                    Same tactics they teach everyone else - Army War College (by correspondence of course).

                                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                    • I Ilion

                                      Oakman wrote:

                                      Well, Troy, at least Stan had the balls to put on a uniform and end up in Vietnam. You, on the other hand, are far too cowardly to ever do anything like that.

                                      You foolish, foolish, intellectually dishonest thing, you. It was *over* years before I came of age. If you weren't so committed to intellectual dishonesty, you'd not step in it all the time like this. But, you can't help but be yorself, can you? edit: Hell! You can track down my address (or so you claim), but you can't figure out my age, even though the two numbers needed to compute it are on one of those pages you love to look at? (Which, by the way, ought to disappear in a few days.) Frankly, I'm shocked that a "chicken-hawk" like you could miss that.

                                      modified on Monday, January 12, 2009 8:55 PM

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                                      Ilíon wrote:

                                      You foolish, foolish, intellectually dishonest thing, you. It was *over* years before I came of age.

                                      Really? So the U.S. didn't maintain any armed forces during the 70's? Surely you don't think there was no chance for you to serve your country? Admit it. You are a lying coward, content to let others fight and die, while you post heroic messages on the internet.

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                                      Which, by the way, ought to disappear in a few days.)

                                      What a coward. Taking down your website because I found it. Are you afraid I won't figure out that your email is tdhailey@sprintmail.com? What a yellow-bellied coward :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                      Ilíon wrote:

                                      Frankly, I'm shocked that a "chicken-hawk" like you could miss that.

                                      Interesting. You seem to know all the gayboy insults. Now I worked as a lighting designer in theatre for years, so I've heard 'em all from the chorus queens insulting each other, but why is it you know them? Does it have anything to do with that 'wide stance' you like to take?

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                                        Oakman wrote:

                                        Ilíon: ... do cynics hold anything ... dear? DryRot: How should I know? And don't call me "dear."

                                        Or perhaps it's just his fantasies kicking in again.

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                                        Pathetic. Actually editing quotes as if the original would somehow go away. Or are you so narcissistic that you think that there are people who read only your posts? By the way, your use of illiterate was incorrect. I know it stung when I called you that yesterday, after you demonstrated your total lack of knowledge about Dickens, but still and all, you should have checked out exactly what it meant before you started using it.

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                                        • O Oakman

                                          Ilíon wrote:

                                          You foolish, foolish, intellectually dishonest thing, you. It was *over* years before I came of age.

                                          Really? So the U.S. didn't maintain any armed forces during the 70's? Surely you don't think there was no chance for you to serve your country? Admit it. You are a lying coward, content to let others fight and die, while you post heroic messages on the internet.

                                          Ilíon wrote:

                                          Which, by the way, ought to disappear in a few days.)

                                          What a coward. Taking down your website because I found it. Are you afraid I won't figure out that your email is tdhailey@sprintmail.com? What a yellow-bellied coward :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                          Ilíon wrote:

                                          Frankly, I'm shocked that a "chicken-hawk" like you could miss that.

                                          Interesting. You seem to know all the gayboy insults. Now I worked as a lighting designer in theatre for years, so I've heard 'em all from the chorus queens insulting each other, but why is it you know them? Does it have anything to do with that 'wide stance' you like to take?

                                          Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                                          Lost User
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                                          Do you honestly have nothing better to do?

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