So just why is GW of such interest to Socialist International?

[KaRl]

Tom Deketelaere wrote:

Hardly

Good to know! We don't need to see more countries breaking up in Europe.

Tom Deketelaere wrote:

It's only the politicians that are arguing, and like everywhere else the'll keep arguing like little children not willing to compromise.

If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

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[Lost User]

Anarchy!

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[Lost User]

And yet most Flems I have spoken to about this see a split as inevitable.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[Lost User]

So what is causing the current cooling trend?

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[Tom Deketelaere]

Ka?l wrote:

If it's only a matter of politicians, why are parties like the Vlaams Blok/Vlaams Belang stronger and stronger at each election?

That has nothing to do with the current problems in the government. Those party's get stronger because of the very nature of our country. Everyone is welcome and everyone will get money out off the government(you just need to figure out how). This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people. So a lot off those people start to vote for these party's. Not realizing that solving this problem (bye kicking those emigrants out) is only a very little part off what they have in mind. A few of the other points of the party you named are: -Woman at home, cooking, cleaning (so not working) -All kids (under 16 or 18) indoors before dark -... But those points are discussed openly so not many people know about them.

[Tom Deketelaere]

I see it as a possibility not as inevitable. And if it does happen Belgium will still exist, most like the French part will join France and the Flemish part will operate independently (become Belgium). But we are far away from that, and I really don't think it will happen.

[KaRl]

Tom Deketelaere wrote:

This leads to thousands off emigrants coming here and 'leeching' off the working people.

Ah, the good old scapegoat of the Far Right, the bad immigrant that comes to steal the bread and rape the daughters of the locals. Same here, it worked/works for long.

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[KaRl]

Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

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[Tom Deketelaere]

Sadly it's true (well not the part of the raping). They come here, have no job (and no interest in getting one, hell why would you), so nothing but time to figure out how to abuse the system. I have one of these living across the street. He doesn't work but has his own house (rent I think), 2 cars (nice one's) and disturbs the neighborhood (is playing music loudly till the late hours, works on his car till the late hours,...) Does this mean I vote for the 'Far Right' no, but I don't have to like it. I have a lot of friends who are emigrants and do work and do adjust to the culture here. But like with everything those 'few' (there are more and more lately) bad apples ruin it for the rest.

[Lost User]

Ka?l wrote:

Today's the weather is hotter than yesterday. Following your logic, we are now back to a warming!

Do you mean globally or locally? If you mean locally, and limit yourself to the northern hemisphere then since we have passed the shortest day it will be warming. However, we are still on a cooling trend this interglacial. Check out the vostock ice core data.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[Lost User]

Cant answer can you. You havent got a clue have you. You dont know jack shit about this do you. You just regurgitate stuff you read on Hansens lackies website.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[phannon86]

Since when did two measurements make a trend?

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[hairy_hats]

Phannon wrote:

Since when did two measurements make a trend?

You must be new here.

[phannon86]

:laugh: I don't venture to the soapbox often, but I gather this about sums up the strength of their argument?

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[hairy_hats]

Yes and no, depending on who you talk to and what colour socks your postman's granny's cat's vet's neighbour's brother is wearing that day. Hope that helps! :laugh:

[KaRl]

Ask Mr Fat Boy. I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you.

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[KaRl]

If you look at Vostok data, you'll see that for the last 440,000 years CO2 level never exceeded ~300 ppm. We are now exceeding 380 ppm. If you look at EPICA and Vostok data, you'll see there's an evident correlation between CO2 proportion in the atmosphere and the temperature. Please explain why the current, exceptional rise of CO2 would this time have no effect at all whatsover on the climate?

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[KaRl]

So newbie, have made yourself an opinion yet? :P Welcome to the club :-D

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[Lost User]

Are we or are we not in a 10,000 year cooling trend?

Ka?l wrote:

Please explain why the current, exceptional rise of CO2 would this time have no effect at all whatsover on the climate

Because the rise is very slight in terms of total atmospheric concentration. 0.03 to 0.038 percent to be exact and although CO2 absorbs IR its effect is not linear so further increase in CO2 will not trap any more IR and thus not cause any extra radiated warming. The very sloght warming CO2 causes is masked by many other factors, particularly albedo, which is affected by aerosols. Look at the post war cooling as proof of how much more powerfull aerosols are than CO2. It is also likely that the sun affects albedo since it has been known for a long time that sun spots cause an increase in temperature. (Herschel noticed this as long ago as 1805)

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

[KaRl]

If you want the trend you can get from Vostok daa: here they are[^]. From the data[^], on the last 240 samples representing ~10,000 years 60 show higher temperature than today and 180 show colder ones. On the last 100 samples, 14 show higher temperature when 86 show colder ones.

fat_boy wrote:

Because the rise is very slight in terms of total atmospheric concentration. 0.03 to 0.038 percent to be exact and although CO2 absorbs IR its effect is not linear so further increase in CO2 will not trap any more IR and thus not cause any extra radiated warming.

nice try, but you don't answer my question. I repeat: Vostok data show a clear correlation between CO2 and temperature: why this time would there be no correlation?

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