The vote was 244-188
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BoneSoft wrote:
It has very little to do with stimulus
I think you are wrong. In my opinion, Pelosi got very stimulated when she read this bill.
I bet you're right. Might have even gotten a thrill up her leg. But I was thinking... Instead of spending a billion on rubbers & STD prevention, wouldn't it have been much cheaper and even more effective to just hand out pictures of Peloci?
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Oakman wrote:
regardless of how it is financed
You don't think that how it's financed is important?
Oakman wrote:
It is paid for by you, or if you wish, by your employer who, I guarantee you, assumes that part of your compensation is the taxes he pays on your salary.
It's a tax paid to the government as an expense of doing business like FICA taxes only the business half right?
Oakman wrote:
By the way, at one time in my life I ran a company that employed as many as 125 people. I am familiar with the laws regarding things like employment taxes and long quotes about them are not necessary.
I think your assuming a tone in my posts that isn't there. Did you put unemployment tax as a benefit and part of an employees compensation in offers or statements of benefits?
wolfbinary wrote:
You don't think that how it's financed is important?
not in this context.
wolfbinary wrote:
It's a tax paid to the government as an expense of doing business like FICA taxes only the business half right?
I already said this. Don't you get it?
wolfbinary wrote:
Did you put unemployment tax as a benefit and part of an employees compensation in offers or statements of benefits?
Every month - right there in the books - which had been set up by a CPA and were audted every year by a CPA who signed off on us following generally accepted accounting practices. Our balance sheet and P & L statement were available to every employee as a matter of course. As for breaking down as part of the offer, no, of course not. But I didn't spell out their lunch breaks, either. Look this is a dumb conversation, your attempt to prove something end up proving only that you don't know what I am talking about. There's no shame in admitting that you didn't know something, you know. At any rate, from here on out you'll have to flounder on on your own.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
His position simply verified what I knew to be true, he's nothing more than a far left Chicago liberal and I didn't for a minute believe he'd do anything other than go back on his word. Rush (yes, I listen to him) played two taped Obama comments today.
So far his actual leadership is confirming the worst expectations.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
Rush (yes, I listen to him) played two taped Obama comments today.
I had a chance to listen today. I thought his observation concerning Obama's efforts to get the republicans on board was brilliant. The democrats simply do not need republican support to do anything. If the adminstration was really optimistic about the chances of success, they would not care if the republicans support it. In fact, they would want them to oppose it in order to hold it over them in the next election. The only reason bipartisanship would be so important is so that the almost certain failure cannot be used by the republicans in the next election. Obama wants them to be shareholders in the inevitable failure so that it cannot be used against the democrats. House republicans seem to be doing everything perfectly so far - uniting around a conservative core to oppose this insanity. Senate republicans, who's seats are not as safe, not so much.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Hey Stan, how's it going. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of this article. http://www.slate.com/id/2209781/[^]
I think those make work programs were the primary reason why the Great Depression was great. The theory that putting people to work doing any ol' thing is no different than those same people actually being employeed by companies producing some kind of product is completely flawed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
republicans seem to be doing everything perfectly so far
Interesting. If they could have done that during the last campaign maybe there would be a Republican in the White House today? I guess that wasn't part of their brilliant plan, which I guess must have been to allow the Democrats to run the country into ruin for 4 years so they can use the political fall out to take control of Congress and the White House in 2012. Of course they formulated that plan at a time when they already controlled Congress and the White House. Yes indeed, a brilliant plan! Woot Woot! :jig:
led mike wrote:
Interesting. If they could have done that during the last campaign maybe there would be a Republican in the White House today? I guess that wasn't part of their brilliant plan, which I guess must have been to allow the Democrats to run the country into ruin for 4 years so they can use the political fall out to take control of Congress and the White House in 2012. Of course they formulated that plan at a time when they already controlled Congress and the White House. Yes indeed, a brilliant plan! Woot Woot!
Among conservatives, it is the general consensus that the last election was lost because Republicans abandoned their conservative base and decided to try to out compete the democrats for 'moderates'. So, yes, if there was any chance at all of winning it was uniting around a conservative coalition that was just waiting there to be asked. Even without doing that, McCain still got some 45% of the vote, and it is highly unlikely that many of them were moderates. The moderate voters went for Obama big time. With a little more effort, the election would have been much closer, although defeating a candidate as charismatic as Obama given Bush's, or congress's, lack of public support, would have been iffy at best.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I think those make work programs were the primary reason why the Great Depression was great. The theory that putting people to work doing any ol' thing is no different than those same people actually being employeed by companies producing some kind of product is completely flawed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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I think those make work programs were the primary reason why the Great Depression was great. The theory that putting people to work doing any ol' thing is no different than those same people actually being employeed by companies producing some kind of product is completely flawed.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The theory that putting people to work doing any ol' thing
"The CWA laid 12 million feet of sewer pipe and built or made substantial improvements to 255,000 miles of roads, 40,000 schools, 3,700 playgrounds, and nearly 1,000 airports."
Stan Shannon wrote:
those same people actually being employeed by companies producing some kind of product is completely flawed.
That wasn't the choice. The choice was between not working or working for the CWA. Private industry wasn't hiring. Look it up. So did you lose your job? How come you suddenly disappeared mid-morning when I asked you that?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Two wrongs to make a right... That's brilliant! :rolleyes: But yeah, I'm sorely disappointed in the Banks and... well everybody involved in the bailouts.
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Synaptrik wrote:
goodie grab that Bush handed to the banks.
...also bad.
MrPlankton
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The theory that putting people to work doing any ol' thing
"The CWA laid 12 million feet of sewer pipe and built or made substantial improvements to 255,000 miles of roads, 40,000 schools, 3,700 playgrounds, and nearly 1,000 airports."
Stan Shannon wrote:
those same people actually being employeed by companies producing some kind of product is completely flawed.
That wasn't the choice. The choice was between not working or working for the CWA. Private industry wasn't hiring. Look it up. So did you lose your job? How come you suddenly disappeared mid-morning when I asked you that?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
That wasn't the choice. The choice was between not working or working for the CWA. Private industry wasn't hiring. Look it up.
I don't have to look it up. My own father worked in the CCC, he thought it was great. But, the massive amounts of spending inhibited the economy from recoverying naturally on it own. There was no way that private industry could hire with the federal government diverting such a hugh portion of the national wealth on make work programs.
Oakman wrote:
So did you lose your job? How come you suddenly disappeared mid-morning when I asked you that?
Snow...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Al Beback wrote:
oppression employed by the left. Roll eyes
When did I say oppression or by the left? I was talking about what was it, not calling anyone or anything leftist or oppressive. Your jumping to conclusions.
wolfbinary wrote:
When did I say oppression or by the left?
You didn't.
wolfbinary wrote:
I was talking about what was it, not calling anyone or anything leftist or oppressive. Your jumping to conclusions.
No, I was just being sarcastic, but it wasn't really directed at your well-reasoned response. It was aimed at others on this board who yearn to demonize anything supported by the Democratic executive and legislative branches. Sorry that I didn't convey that to you.
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