Xenophobia

Chris Austin

Ka?l wrote:

That could be less and sometimes way less than a worker working for a local company.

And you still think people are being Xenophobic? I'd see it as them wanting to protect their way of life or to put in words I've heard coming out of France "Protecting their culture" and "Not wanting to become a nation of paupers." I'm not making any value judgement, this is just how I see it.

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Lost User

Chris Austin wrote:

are imported tradesmen paid below the local prevailing wage for equivalent work?

A question for you Chris that perhaps demonstrates the problem. With respect to the "home grown" all American citizen, are you happy with the numbers of Mexicans working (legally or illegally) in USA, and their respective conditions of employment that may in fact be to the detriment of your own country's local all American citizens? In other words, are your local all American citizens being priced out of their own local employment market by such Mexican "imports"?

Diego Moita

Dalek Dave wrote:

You are wrong to use the term Xenophobia, that merely means irrational fear of strangers.

No, Karl is not wrong. Xenophobia is not only a psychological/psychiatric anomaly as you try to imply. It is also a political ideology, part of what you call "Nationalistic Resentment". And the most common meaning of this word is political[^]. "Xenos", the root of the word, means also "foreigner" in Greek. And "foreigner" has a clear political meaning: someone coming from a different state (what we call today nation).

Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.

Chris Austin

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

are you happy with the numbers of Mexicans working (legally or illegally) in USA, and their respective conditions of employment that may in fact be to the detriment of your own country's local all American citizens?

No. I despise the way it has worked out and I take almost painful (and unpopular) steps to make sure my contractors and handymen are on the up and up.

Richard A. Abbott wrote:

In other words, are your local all American citizens being priced out of their own local employment market by such Mexican "imports"?

I don't know about being priced out. But, I can say I have seen it cause a real downward price pressure on certain jobs and work. As a consumer, I guess I am supposed to be pleased with this. But, as someone who likes to plan things long term I see it as terribly short-sighted and harmful.

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Dalek Dave

So if I really was scared of foreigners, I would be Politically Incorrect, and not a sufferer of a mental condition? But surely not to recognise my Mental Condition would be Politically Incorrect, so you would have to accept my condition, but that would mean I was Politically Incorrect and .... Continuum Ad Nuaseum...

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Lost User

Whay are Total in the UK? Is it because they can take advantage of UK labour laws that they cant in France? Dont pretend though that the French market is open as you suggest. It isnt.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Lost User

the 'imported' worlers are actually part of the EU. they are from italy and potugal.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Chris Austin

I do get that. But, to say that they are local or even from the same area is too much of a stretch for even the biggest fan of fiction.

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long

Lost User

Chris Austin wrote:

I do get that. But, to say that they are local or even from the same area is too much of a stretch for even the biggest fan of fiction.

Of course.

Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

Lost User

Chris Austin wrote:

it cause a real downward price pressure on certain jobs and work

And that is the problem here. It matters not if you are a fruit/vegetable picker/packer or a construction worker or a professional such as a computer programmer or etc... (had to strike through "certain") The more you are subjected to this downward pressure, the harder it is to retain a living wage until you get to the position where you are forced to work for minimum wage which does not pay the bills consequently you leave that industry in hope of finding a better paid job which in many instances is fruitless and unemployment can then make it presence felt, especially if you live in an area where economic activity is low (or nose-diving). But, if you are an employer, then you may well profit from paying your workers lower wages. So swings and roundabouts exists.

martin_hughes

This whole situation seems very familiar: A cack-handed, ineffective Labour Government sinking in popularity daily, a bungled economy, anti-European feeling, a rapidly worsening exchange rate, wide-spread industrial action, a general feeling of discontent... now where did we see this before? Ah, that's right. The 70's.

My Bookmarks I clicked the link. In an instant I was transported 15 years back in time.

Chris Austin

And yet we westerners are supposed to welcome all these fruits that come with globalization and the view of labor as being human capitol. Like I said, I see it as very short sighted esp. if you care at all for the long term health of your country or even neighborhood.

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long

Lost User

(Edited my previous post to you, however...) Globalization brings corporate responsibilities that are too distant from the ordinary worker and outside of their sphere of influence. So yes, you are right in your last sentence.

Oakman

Chris Austin wrote:

I take almost painful (and unpopular) steps to make sure my contractors and handymen are on the up and up.

I am proud to have made the aquaintance, however cybernetically, of someone who walks the walk as well as talking the talk. ^5

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Dalek Dave

Cured by the Blessed Margaret! I don't see Her this time :(

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Oakman

fat_boy wrote:

Dont pretend though that the French market is open as you suggest. It isnt.

Here I go again, giving you a 5. I need a drink after that!

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Chris Austin

Dalek Dave wrote:

"Is that really your name" I asked.

:) I say something like that or lie in my best Texas Draw that my name is "Sanjay"

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long

Oakman

martin_hughes wrote:

now where did we see this before?

the 30's?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

Chris Austin

Thanks. You have no idea how many dirty looks I've gotten or how many times I've been told to f. off after telling a general contractor to make sure that anybody working on a property of mine is legal. I even had one guy tell me he was going to file a discrimination lawsuit against me. The worst was when our own house was being repaired from a burst pipe and I had to kick the drywall people out of my house after warning the general contractor. It caused a huge delay and more problems with the insurance company.

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long

Lost User

Dalek Dave wrote:

Cured by the Blessed Margaret!

Although she did well in the reform of Trade Union powers, unfortunately, with her went into relative oblivion, a large slice of British Manufacturing Industry.