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  • O Oakman

    Mike Gaskey wrote:

    but for now, we should balance the liberal media print and mainstream networks with good sh*t to listen to.

    She's right about one thing. It won't be the Fairness Doctrine coming back. That contributed directly to the ability of Ross Perot to challenge the stranglehold the two parties have on our election process. Instead of the idea being that your media couldn't tilt totally in either direction - which was all the Fairness Doctrine ever required - we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic formula designed to make sure that talk radio goes at least 40% liberal while exempting NPR cause they're quasi-governmental and all TV stations cause they already own NBC-Universal.

    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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    Stan Shannon
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    Oakman wrote:

    Instead of the idea being that your media couldn't tilt totally in either direction - which was all the Fairness Doctrine ever required - we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic formula designed to make sure that talk radio goes at least 40% liberal

    Which will kill talk radio. No radio station is going to broadcast content that no one wants to listen to. And if anyone actually wanted to listen to liberal talk, no change would be necessary. No one wants to listen to someone telling them that they suck. It will simply get rid of all talk and go back to playing music.

    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      Oakman wrote:

      Instead of the idea being that your media couldn't tilt totally in either direction - which was all the Fairness Doctrine ever required - we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic formula designed to make sure that talk radio goes at least 40% liberal

      Which will kill talk radio. No radio station is going to broadcast content that no one wants to listen to. And if anyone actually wanted to listen to liberal talk, no change would be necessary. No one wants to listen to someone telling them that they suck. It will simply get rid of all talk and go back to playing music.

      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      Oakman
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      Stan Shannon wrote:

      Which will kill talk radio

      Pretty much the goal, I would guess.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        Orders will be issued soon outlining those subjects appropriate for discussion. but for now, we should balance the liberal media print and mainstream networks with good shit to listen to.[^]

        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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        oilFactotum
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        "Although Obama has been publicly opposed to reinstating the fairness doctrine, conservative radio has talked nonstop about the fear of it returning" So right-wing radio will behave like hysterical 13 year old girls at the drop of a hat. I already knew that, but thanks for the reminder.

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        • O oilFactotum

          "Although Obama has been publicly opposed to reinstating the fairness doctrine, conservative radio has talked nonstop about the fear of it returning" So right-wing radio will behave like hysterical 13 year old girls at the drop of a hat. I already knew that, but thanks for the reminder.

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          Mike Gaskey
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          oilFactotum wrote:

          So right-wing radio will

          react by asking its listeners to push back.

          Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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          • M Mike Gaskey

            oilFactotum wrote:

            So right-wing radio will

            react by asking its listeners to push back.

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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            oilFactotum
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            Push back against what? The non-existent legislation that has not been wending it's way through Congress for the past 20 years? One could easily describe that as an exercise in the politics of fear. Or the hysterical theatrics of a 13 year old girl.

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            • O Oakman

              Mike Gaskey wrote:

              but for now, we should balance the liberal media print and mainstream networks with good sh*t to listen to.

              She's right about one thing. It won't be the Fairness Doctrine coming back. That contributed directly to the ability of Ross Perot to challenge the stranglehold the two parties have on our election process. Instead of the idea being that your media couldn't tilt totally in either direction - which was all the Fairness Doctrine ever required - we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic formula designed to make sure that talk radio goes at least 40% liberal while exempting NPR cause they're quasi-governmental and all TV stations cause they already own NBC-Universal.

              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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              Andy_L_J
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              Oakman wrote:

              we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic

              Ah, iBama! :-\

              I don't speak Idiot - please talk slowly and clearly

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              • O oilFactotum

                Push back against what? The non-existent legislation that has not been wending it's way through Congress for the past 20 years? One could easily describe that as an exercise in the politics of fear. Or the hysterical theatrics of a 13 year old girl.

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                Mike Gaskey
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                oilFactotum wrote:

                Push back against what?

                any legislation that arbitrarily determines what opinions can and cannot be on the airwaves.

                Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                • O Oakman

                  Mike Gaskey wrote:

                  but for now, we should balance the liberal media print and mainstream networks with good sh*t to listen to.

                  She's right about one thing. It won't be the Fairness Doctrine coming back. That contributed directly to the ability of Ross Perot to challenge the stranglehold the two parties have on our election process. Instead of the idea being that your media couldn't tilt totally in either direction - which was all the Fairness Doctrine ever required - we'll end up with some carefully calculated, i-dotted, t-crossed bureaucratic formula designed to make sure that talk radio goes at least 40% liberal while exempting NPR cause they're quasi-governmental and all TV stations cause they already own NBC-Universal.

                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                  Mike Gaskey
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                  She may be a tad upset with all forms of the media, they recently reported that her husband was caught with his pants down, literally.[^]

                  Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                  • M Mike Gaskey

                    oilFactotum wrote:

                    Push back against what?

                    any legislation that arbitrarily determines what opinions can and cannot be on the airwaves.

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    oilFactotum
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                    Mike Gaskey wrote:

                    any legislation

                    I've already asked it once, but I'll ask it again. What legislation? Just another pathetic instance of the tactic of the politics of fear. :rolleyes:

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                    • O oilFactotum

                      Mike Gaskey wrote:

                      any legislation

                      I've already asked it once, but I'll ask it again. What legislation? Just another pathetic instance of the tactic of the politics of fear. :rolleyes:

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                      oilFactotum wrote:

                      but I'll ask it again. What legislation?

                      none yet, as you could tell if you'd read the article but according to the Senator, SENATOR DEBBIE STABENOW (D-MI): I think it’s absolutely time to pass a standard. Now, whether it’s called the Fairness Standard, whether it’s called something else — I absolutely think it’s time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves. I mean, our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency. You know, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And, I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place. it isn't that far away. So, you'd either agree that conservative talk radio be muzzled or at a minimum wait until legislation is in effect before doing anything?

                      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                      • O oilFactotum

                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                        any legislation

                        I've already asked it once, but I'll ask it again. What legislation? Just another pathetic instance of the tactic of the politics of fear. :rolleyes:

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                        oilFactotum wrote:

                        another pathetic instance of the tactic of the politics of fear.

                        You mean like the crap that Obama has been putting out on the economy every day this week? The "approve my $10,000 a tax payer spending orgy or we'll end up in an irreversible depression (and it'll be your fault)" politics of fear? That stuff? The only thing that has changed is which party of idiots and tax cheats has the most votes.

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                        • M Mike Gaskey

                          oilFactotum wrote:

                          but I'll ask it again. What legislation?

                          none yet, as you could tell if you'd read the article but according to the Senator, SENATOR DEBBIE STABENOW (D-MI): I think it’s absolutely time to pass a standard. Now, whether it’s called the Fairness Standard, whether it’s called something else — I absolutely think it’s time to be bringing accountability to the airwaves. I mean, our new president has talked rightly about accountability and transparency. You know, that we all have to step up and be responsible. And, I think in this case, there needs to be some accountability and standards put in place. it isn't that far away. So, you'd either agree that conservative talk radio be muzzled or at a minimum wait until legislation is in effect before doing anything?

                          Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                          oilFactotum
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                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          none

                          That's right none.

                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          it isn't that far away.

                          Really? No legislation, and a single senator talks about it - and the president opposes it, and you think it's right around the corner? Sounds like fear talking to me. :laugh:

                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          that conservative talk radio be muzzled

                          Predicting the effect of non-existent legislation! How pointless!!

                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          wait until legislation is in effect before doing anything

                          What legislation? One might choose to wait until there is actually something on the table to oppose. I do understand how it is much easier to manufacture scary scenarios when you are not limited by actual proposals.

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                            oilFactotum wrote:

                            another pathetic instance of the tactic of the politics of fear.

                            You mean like the crap that Obama has been putting out on the economy every day this week? The "approve my $10,000 a tax payer spending orgy or we'll end up in an irreversible depression (and it'll be your fault)" politics of fear? That stuff? The only thing that has changed is which party of idiots and tax cheats has the most votes.

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                            oilFactotum
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                            Rob Graham wrote:

                            You mean like the crap

                            No, I mean what I said. The pathetic crap coming from talk radio. But I see you aren't actually disputing that what talk radio is doing is an exercise in the politics of fear.

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                            • M Mike Gaskey

                              She may be a tad upset with all forms of the media, they recently reported that her husband was caught with his pants down, literally.[^]

                              Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                              Oakman
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                              Mike Gaskey wrote:

                              they recently reported that her husband was caught with his pants down

                              Geeze, only $150? And this was before the meltdown.

                              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                              • O oilFactotum

                                Rob Graham wrote:

                                You mean like the crap

                                No, I mean what I said. The pathetic crap coming from talk radio. But I see you aren't actually disputing that what talk radio is doing is an exercise in the politics of fear.

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                                Rob Graham
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                                Both sides are idiots. I am utterly disgusted with politics in the US, and partisan shitheads like yourself.

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                                • R Rob Graham

                                  Both sides are idiots. I am utterly disgusted with politics in the US, and partisan shitheads like yourself.

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                                  oilFactotum
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                                  Yawn :rolleyes:

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