Abortion or murder

Mike Gaskey

One of the sickest examples [^] I've heard in a long time, this should be prosecuted as murder.

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Dalek Dave

I am pro abortion, that is a choice I made with my ethical views and contentment with my moral code. That said... Once that baby was born, it was a life, a living being, independant in law, and the death should be treated as murder! A child in the womb is not an individual in law, and there is a good argument that this should remain so. But even with my personal viewpoint, this is wrong. No argument can brook that, just WRONG.

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R Giskard Reventlov

Well said.

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wolfbinary

23 weeks, isn't that about half way? Do you know of any premies making it that far? Did the baby die almost right after or something? It's very disturbing. I wonder what the clinic's defense is going to be.

BoneSoft

I saw that yesterday and considered posting it. To me, that's murder. Pure and simple. However... As disgusting and horrifying as that case was, the only difference between that botched job and if he'd not screwed it up, is that the family actually had to witness what they'd done. Saying that abortion, especially late term, isn't murder is like saying that Clinton wasn't engaged in sexual activity. Legal definition juggling to justify something they obviously know is wrong.

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BoneSoft

Dalek Dave wrote:

A child in the womb is not an individual in law, and there is a good argument that this should remain so.

What argument do you refer to? I don't see much difference between cutting the cord and letting it bleed out on the floor, than dismembering it in the womb. Honestly, how is that the difference between "Oh my God!" and "Oh well"? That baby didn't change by coming into contact with air. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I cannot fathom how you can see such a big difference.

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BoneSoft

wolfbinary wrote:

Do you know of any premies making it that far?

It's rare, but it's happened.

wolfbinary wrote:

Did the baby die almost right after or something?

One account in the article says that they immediately put it in a biohazard bag and put it in the trash can, another says that they cut the cord and let it bleed out first.

wolfbinary wrote:

I wonder what the clinic's defense is going to be.

I would assume they don't see a major distinction. "You wanted your baby dead, mission accomplished."

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Mike Gaskey

BoneSoft wrote:

Legal definition juggling to justify something they obviously know is wrong.

agreed.

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Diego Moita

Mike Gaskey wrote:

Abortion or murder

Medical malpractice, irresponsibility and incompetence. That happens to any kind of surgery, but it generates noise just because there is abortion involved.

Mike Gaskey wrote:

this should be prosecuted as murder.

Surprisingly, I have to agree with you. If the baby was alive and it's life could be saved then it is murder. 23 weeks are more than 5 months and there are rare cases of babies that survive birth at this gestational period.

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MrPlankton

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BoneSoft

Dishonesty. "I mean, it - it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional." Translation: "we obviously can't call this child a child because it goes against my political stance and the Supreme Court ruling that never should have happened. Holy crap, this completely destroys my view, this can't be allowed." He came to the realization (if he hadn't already long ago), that abortion has no argument, then turned and decided that the Constitutional ruling of a couple of wrinkled old activists was the brick wall of truth. But this give some insight into his thinking. It's not a human until it's done it's time in the womb. It didn't make it to the graduation ceremony. I guess spagetti isn't spagetti until it's done cooking.

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Dalek Dave

If an unborn baby is a legally recognised individual then it must by definition have rights. If the mother smokes, drinks, or in other ways abuses her body, could the child subsequently sue? If the woman needs to abort, would she be prevented from doing so because it would be murder? Even if to carry meant she would risk her life? At what point does a bunch of cells become an individual in law? Does an incarcerated woman have the right not to go to prison because the unborn child has committed no crime? There are many reasons why the unborn child is not recognised in law.

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BoneSoft

Yeah I see your point. But I'm betting it would at least appreciate the right to live. And that, I think, is worth the law makers time to find a way to fit it in.

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