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  • M Mike Gaskey

    The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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    He will be punished.

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    • M Mike Gaskey

      The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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      Chris Austin
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      I watched this the other day. The one thing that really resonated with me was the comment about paying a mortgage being a moral dilemma. I don't mean to be uncaring about people in bad situation but I don't want to be placed in one myself. The whole things really confounds me.

      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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      • M Mike Gaskey

        The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

        Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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        If only we gave this much vehement opposition to the original TARP program.

        This statement is false

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          If only we gave this much vehement opposition to the original TARP program.

          This statement is false

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          Chris Austin
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          Many of us did. My senator and reps received hundreds of thousands of calls and letters telling them not to vote for it. In the end, they ignored us.

          Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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            Many of us did. My senator and reps received hundreds of thousands of calls and letters telling them not to vote for it. In the end, they ignored us.

            Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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            Mike Gaskey
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            Chris Austin wrote:

            Many of us did.

            yup.

            Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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              Many of us did. My senator and reps received hundreds of thousands of calls and letters telling them not to vote for it. In the end, they ignored us.

              Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?

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              Yup. And they've both lost my vote next time.

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                Yup. And they've both lost my vote next time.

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                I may be the only person who noticed that Santorelli waved his hand around at the floor of the NY stock exchange and said, "This is America!!!" I agree with a lot of what he said - but pmfl when I think of stock traders being labeled as representative of America. I lived for awhile in Fairlawn, NJ which is where a lot of those guys go home to. They are as representative of America as is Cricket or Pate de Fois Gras.

                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                • M Mike Gaskey

                  The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

                  Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                  Mike Gaskey wrote:

                  The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

                  And the same crowd has been opposed to all the Wall Street bailouts? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. Robert Gibbs replies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/gibbs-v-santelli-he-shoul_n_168645.html[^]

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                    Mike Gaskey wrote:

                    The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

                    And the same crowd has been opposed to all the Wall Street bailouts? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. Robert Gibbs replies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/gibbs-v-santelli-he-shoul_n_168645.html[^]

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                    Mike Gaskey
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                    John, gee thanks for the link but I watched the press briefing. Gibbs a silly little man working for an empty suit and Santelli's response is what every American who lives responsibly thinks.

                    Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                    • M Mike Gaskey

                      John, gee thanks for the link but I watched the press briefing. Gibbs a silly little man working for an empty suit and Santelli's response is what every American who lives responsibly thinks.

                      Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                      MrPlankton
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                      Mike Gaskey wrote:

                      American who lives responsibly

                      The qualification makes all the differance. However, 'Americans who (do not) live responsibly' also have the vote. * A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy 1951 editorial in The Daily Oklahoman

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                      • M MrPlankton

                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                        American who lives responsibly

                        The qualification makes all the differance. However, 'Americans who (do not) live responsibly' also have the vote. * A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy 1951 editorial in The Daily Oklahoman

                        MrPlankton
                        The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklin

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                        MrPlankton wrote:

                        1951 editorial in The Daily Oklahoman

                        But what they may not have anticipated back then that the government would try to stave off the collapse by printing more and more money. They had a saying then: "sound as a dollar." Debasing our currency has worked to leep the lid on to some extent, but any time you don't provide an outlet for pressure, it just keep building. . . .

                        Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                        • M MrPlankton

                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                          American who lives responsibly

                          The qualification makes all the differance. However, 'Americans who (do not) live responsibly' also have the vote. * A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy 1951 editorial in The Daily Oklahoman

                          MrPlankton
                          The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklin

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                          BoneSoft
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                          Great quote. I posted it a couple months ago, and our good buddy John Carson (pretty sure it was him) preceded to tell me how it had been debunked or discredited somehow (no examples followed though as I recall). It's bothered me for a long time how when you ask people what they are voting for, most are only interested in "what do I get", not "what's good for the country". I even remember seeing somebody from this very forum advising somebody who hadn't decided who to vote for to use that same criteria. And this election was decided that way beyond any doubt. Some previous elections may have largely been decided that way before, but none quite so obviously as this last one.


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                            Great quote. I posted it a couple months ago, and our good buddy John Carson (pretty sure it was him) preceded to tell me how it had been debunked or discredited somehow (no examples followed though as I recall). It's bothered me for a long time how when you ask people what they are voting for, most are only interested in "what do I get", not "what's good for the country". I even remember seeing somebody from this very forum advising somebody who hadn't decided who to vote for to use that same criteria. And this election was decided that way beyond any doubt. Some previous elections may have largely been decided that way before, but none quite so obviously as this last one.


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                            I tried to find the source of the quote. The latest 'official' print was from Oklahoma paper, but it was also attributed to some French guy writing about the American revolution. I saw some references that attributed it to Ben Franklin. I saw one reference that it was a quote from an Athenian politician a bazillion years ago. I'm not really 100% sure who the original author is... But I like it too. Should be taught in schools as a sirens song against what could (is) happening.

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                              I tried to find the source of the quote. The latest 'official' print was from Oklahoma paper, but it was also attributed to some French guy writing about the American revolution. I saw some references that attributed it to Ben Franklin. I saw one reference that it was a quote from an Athenian politician a bazillion years ago. I'm not really 100% sure who the original author is... But I like it too. Should be taught in schools as a sirens song against what could (is) happening.

                              MrPlankton
                              The Second Amendment, the Reset Button on the Constitution --- He that lives upon hope will die fasting. Benjamin Franklin

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                              BoneSoft
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                              I don't remember who I saw it attributed to, but it was a name I wasn't familiar with. But in the end, it doesn't matter to me if Hitler or Uncle Bob said it, they are wise words.

                              MrPlankton wrote:

                              Should be taught in schools as a sirens song against what could (is) happening.

                              They should teach something in schools for that purpose.


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                              • B BoneSoft

                                Great quote. I posted it a couple months ago, and our good buddy John Carson (pretty sure it was him) preceded to tell me how it had been debunked or discredited somehow (no examples followed though as I recall). It's bothered me for a long time how when you ask people what they are voting for, most are only interested in "what do I get", not "what's good for the country". I even remember seeing somebody from this very forum advising somebody who hadn't decided who to vote for to use that same criteria. And this election was decided that way beyond any doubt. Some previous elections may have largely been decided that way before, but none quite so obviously as this last one.


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                                BoneSoft wrote:

                                I posted it a couple months ago, and our good buddy John Carson (pretty sure it was him) preceded to tell me how it had been debunked or discredited somehow (no examples followed though as I recall).

                                Unfortunately, John was correct. Snopes.com has it down as a mostly false urban legend. [^] That doesn't mean it doesn't express a truth, just that its antiquity is very suspect.

                                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                  Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                  The video says it all.[^] Even though I say the video says it all, can't help myself. We're becoming a nation of weak, weak people that believes it is only right that the government fix our every problem. I'm thrilled to see this abomination ridiculed.

                                  And the same crowd has been opposed to all the Wall Street bailouts? Talk about a bunch of hypocrites. Robert Gibbs replies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/20/gibbs-v-santelli-he-shoul_n_168645.html[^]

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                                  John Carson wrote:

                                  Robert Gibbs replies.

                                  '"If I hadn't worked on the campaign but simply watch the cable news scorekeeping of the campaign, we lost virtually every day of the race," he said. "If I would have just watched cable TV, I long would have crawled into a hole and given up this whole prospect of changing the country."' One of the things that is beginning to concern me about the White House and its staff is that they seem to be still campaigning for the Presidency rather than doing the job. I liked Mr. Gibbs when he was comm director for Obama's campaign - and he was always very polite to cable news people back then - but in his new role, he shouldn't spend quite so much time reliving what happened four or five months ago and more time focussed on the parlous state of the union today.

                                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                    John Carson wrote:

                                    Robert Gibbs replies.

                                    '"If I hadn't worked on the campaign but simply watch the cable news scorekeeping of the campaign, we lost virtually every day of the race," he said. "If I would have just watched cable TV, I long would have crawled into a hole and given up this whole prospect of changing the country."' One of the things that is beginning to concern me about the White House and its staff is that they seem to be still campaigning for the Presidency rather than doing the job. I liked Mr. Gibbs when he was comm director for Obama's campaign - and he was always very polite to cable news people back then - but in his new role, he shouldn't spend quite so much time reliving what happened four or five months ago and more time focussed on the parlous state of the union today.

                                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                    Oakman wrote:

                                    I liked Mr. Gibbs when he was comm director for Obama's campaign - and he was always very polite to cable news people back then

                                    You obviously never saw his exchange with Hannity. For your enjoyment: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/robert-gibbs-confronts-ha_n_132842.html[^]

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                                    he shouldn't spend quite so much time reliving what happened four or five months ago and more time focussed on the parlous state of the union today.

                                    He was simply making the point that they are not going to be obsessed with the daily news cycle. That is good news for the quality of government.

                                    John Carson

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                                      Oakman wrote:

                                      I liked Mr. Gibbs when he was comm director for Obama's campaign - and he was always very polite to cable news people back then

                                      You obviously never saw his exchange with Hannity. For your enjoyment: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/08/robert-gibbs-confronts-ha_n_132842.html[^]

                                      Oakman wrote:

                                      he shouldn't spend quite so much time reliving what happened four or five months ago and more time focussed on the parlous state of the union today.

                                      He was simply making the point that they are not going to be obsessed with the daily news cycle. That is good news for the quality of government.

                                      John Carson

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                                      John Carson wrote:

                                      You obviously never saw his exchange with Hannity. For your enjoyment:

                                      I make it a point to see as little of Sean Hannity as possible. I also skip O'Reilly, Olbermann and Madow. When and if I want to be told how or what to think, I'll contact my family.

                                      John Carson wrote:

                                      He was simply making the point that they are not going to be obsessed with the daily news cycle. That is good news for the quality of government.

                                      Although I don't think that the impact of CNBC has been all that good for stock market, I never really thought of them as part of the daily news cycle.

                                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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