Blading is a crime in the uk... if your 71
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Well, the law (bylaw) is for everyone, they probably arrest tons of kids roller-bladding and it does not make the news. If they make an exception, what will happen if a younger person gets arrested and fined ? that person will cry foul for beeing fined, but not the older geezer. BTW, I agree the bylaw, and more so the huge fine is over the top. (edited) BTW, I somewhat agree with the bylaw (rollerbladding everywhere "could" be dangerous), but I do not agree about the fine. He should not let it go.
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My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not). -side issue- But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
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My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not). -side issue- But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
kmg365 wrote:
My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people
I agree. I found myself wondering if he'd been 17, would he have been stopped and fined? If so, then he should shut up and pay up. If not, he should tell 'em to shove it up their collective arse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not). -side issue- But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
kmg365 wrote:
My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not).
That was simply the perspective of bystanders and journalists. The council by-law says: "No person shall skate, slide or ride on rollers, skateboards or other self-propelled vehicles in such a manner as to cause danger or annoyance." http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/123033-pensioner-guilty-of-roller-blading-crime.html[^] His age may have played some role in the way people assessed danger, but the law is not about whether or not he runs into people. It is about whether or not there is a danger of him doing so (or he is causing annoyance). A lot of people drive dangerously but don't have crashes; they are breaking the law nevertheless. The ratio of car crashes to instances of dangerous driving is actually very low (that depends on how dangerous the driving is, of course, but people can break the speeding laws or the drunk driving laws for many years without having an accident).
kmg365 wrote:
But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
Perhaps the cameras can detect motion and automatically track any person going at above walking pace (you can get modestly priced consumer cameras that track motion to the extent of keeping a person in focus automatically, so adding panning wouldn't be a huge leap).
John Carson
modified on Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:55 PM
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If you can't go down a sidewalk on wheels maybe the busy street would be better.
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If you can't go down a sidewalk on wheels maybe the busy street would be better.
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kmg365 wrote:
My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not).
That was simply the perspective of bystanders and journalists. The council by-law says: "No person shall skate, slide or ride on rollers, skateboards or other self-propelled vehicles in such a manner as to cause danger or annoyance." http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/123033-pensioner-guilty-of-roller-blading-crime.html[^] His age may have played some role in the way people assessed danger, but the law is not about whether or not he runs into people. It is about whether or not there is a danger of him doing so (or he is causing annoyance). A lot of people drive dangerously but don't have crashes; they are breaking the law nevertheless. The ratio of car crashes to instances of dangerous driving is actually very low (that depends on how dangerous the driving is, of course, but people can break the speeding laws or the drunk driving laws for many years without having an accident).
kmg365 wrote:
But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
Perhaps the cameras can detect motion and automatically track any person going at above walking pace (you can get modestly priced consumer cameras that track motion to the extent of keeping a person in focus automatically, so adding panning wouldn't be a huge leap).
John Carson
modified on Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:55 PM
John Carson wrote:
manner as to cause danger or annoyance."
pretty subjective, I wonder how much annoyance was attributed to his age.
John Carson wrote:
His age may have played some role
Sure, I suspect that's true, but he was darn good, I suspect envy played a role here. I wish I could move like that. Gives me hope as to what's possible when I'm in my 70's.
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kmg365 wrote:
My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people (which he was not).
That was simply the perspective of bystanders and journalists. The council by-law says: "No person shall skate, slide or ride on rollers, skateboards or other self-propelled vehicles in such a manner as to cause danger or annoyance." http://www.clickliverpool.com/news/local-news/123033-pensioner-guilty-of-roller-blading-crime.html[^] His age may have played some role in the way people assessed danger, but the law is not about whether or not he runs into people. It is about whether or not there is a danger of him doing so (or he is causing annoyance). A lot of people drive dangerously but don't have crashes; they are breaking the law nevertheless. The ratio of car crashes to instances of dangerous driving is actually very low (that depends on how dangerous the driving is, of course, but people can break the speeding laws or the drunk driving laws for many years without having an accident).
kmg365 wrote:
But I was surprised that so much life in UK is photographed. It looked like he was being panned as he was skating around. Like he was being tracked.
Perhaps the cameras can detect motion and automatically track any person going at above walking pace (you can get modestly priced consumer cameras that track motion to the extent of keeping a person in focus automatically, so adding panning wouldn't be a huge leap).
John Carson
modified on Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:55 PM
John Carson wrote:
Perhaps the cameras can detect motion and automatically track any person going at above walking pace (you can get modestly priced consumer cameras that track motion to the extent of keeping a person in focus automatically, so adding panning wouldn't be a huge leap).
I find it creepy that a government finds it necessary to spy on an agile man 70 years young rollerblading on the sidewalk :wtf: What the heck is going on over there?[^]
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John Carson wrote:
Perhaps the cameras can detect motion and automatically track any person going at above walking pace (you can get modestly priced consumer cameras that track motion to the extent of keeping a person in focus automatically, so adding panning wouldn't be a huge leap).
I find it creepy that a government finds it necessary to spy on an agile man 70 years young rollerblading on the sidewalk :wtf: What the heck is going on over there?[^]
kmg365 wrote:
I find it creepy that a government finds it necessary to spy on an agile man 70 years young rollerblading on the sidewalk
Obviously they are not specifically spying on him. I don't live in Britain, but my impression is that the intention is that most public gathering places (shopping centres etc.) will have cameras as a crime detection device. They are mainly a response to a concern about unruly youths, I believe.
John Carson
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If you can't go down a sidewalk on wheels maybe the busy street would be better.
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CSS_Shadow(); wrote:
If you can't go down a sidewalk on wheels maybe the busy street would be better.
Yes, why don't you go play in traffic like your parents should have told you to do? :|
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kmg365 wrote:
My take away from the article was he was a danger because he's 71, not because he's running into people
I agree. I found myself wondering if he'd been 17, would he have been stopped and fined? If so, then he should shut up and pay up. If not, he should tell 'em to shove it up their collective arse.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
No. They would sell the story to the daily mail as another instance of disgraceful teenage behaviour, and portray him as yet another drug-dealing, alcoholic, spotty youth who takes time out from Facebook to do the odd stabbing or two and crash into vulnerable pensioners on roller skates Seriously though, in my experience being a 17-year old makes me more likely to be stopped and fined. This is probably due to the bad media portrayal, but I think a large part of it is because they're often easier targets than people like middle-aged men. Difference is, middle-aged men are taken seriously, while teenagers in general are blame figures
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No. They would sell the story to the daily mail as another instance of disgraceful teenage behaviour, and portray him as yet another drug-dealing, alcoholic, spotty youth who takes time out from Facebook to do the odd stabbing or two and crash into vulnerable pensioners on roller skates Seriously though, in my experience being a 17-year old makes me more likely to be stopped and fined. This is probably due to the bad media portrayal, but I think a large part of it is because they're often easier targets than people like middle-aged men. Difference is, middle-aged men are taken seriously, while teenagers in general are blame figures
Use to work in Washington DC. (late shift) right in front of "Freedom Plaza", great place for skate boarders to hang out. They would show up around 7pm and skateboard till mid-night when the metro closed, not bothering anyone. They could do some amazing things, our building had patio opening up to "Freedom Plaza[^]". Routinely cops would show up and the skateboarders would disperse. Sometimes they did not disperse fast enough and some where arrested. This was happening around the time of "Gore's midnight basket ball program" X| .
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Use to work in Washington DC. (late shift) right in front of "Freedom Plaza", great place for skate boarders to hang out. They would show up around 7pm and skateboard till mid-night when the metro closed, not bothering anyone. They could do some amazing things, our building had patio opening up to "Freedom Plaza[^]". Routinely cops would show up and the skateboarders would disperse. Sometimes they did not disperse fast enough and some where arrested. This was happening around the time of "Gore's midnight basket ball program" X| .
I also skated as a youth, and it's just amazing when you're asked to move on. They're not mugging anyone, terrorizing, starting fights etc. it's just their past time, and where's the harm in the supposedly "obese" youth of today getting the exercise?! In my experience the average skaterboy is a much nicer guy than the average chav.
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No. They would sell the story to the daily mail as another instance of disgraceful teenage behaviour, and portray him as yet another drug-dealing, alcoholic, spotty youth who takes time out from Facebook to do the odd stabbing or two and crash into vulnerable pensioners on roller skates Seriously though, in my experience being a 17-year old makes me more likely to be stopped and fined. This is probably due to the bad media portrayal, but I think a large part of it is because they're often easier targets than people like middle-aged men. Difference is, middle-aged men are taken seriously, while teenagers in general are blame figures
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Well, the law (bylaw) is for everyone, they probably arrest tons of kids roller-bladding and it does not make the news. If they make an exception, what will happen if a younger person gets arrested and fined ? that person will cry foul for beeing fined, but not the older geezer. BTW, I agree the bylaw, and more so the huge fine is over the top. (edited) BTW, I somewhat agree with the bylaw (rollerbladding everywhere "could" be dangerous), but I do not agree about the fine. He should not let it go.
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modified on Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:37 PM
It looked like he was using it as a way to go from one place to another. I used to do that instead of riding my bike. Aren't there loitering laws for when this kind of thing gets out of control?
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CSS_Shadow(); wrote:
If you can't go down a sidewalk on wheels maybe the busy street would be better.
Yes, why don't you go play in traffic like your parents should have told you to do? :|
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
Tim Craig wrote:
Yes, why don't you go play in traffic like your parents should have told you to do?
They did and he did - which explains the brain damage.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.