The real immigration problem...
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... is that they are returning to their countries[^]. The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too. I saw 2 weeks ago in the Brazilian television that now there are more people returning to here than going to the US. The effects of the economic depression are much milder here.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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... is that they are returning to their countries[^]. The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too. I saw 2 weeks ago in the Brazilian television that now there are more people returning to here than going to the US. The effects of the economic depression are much milder here.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too
The US has never had an immigration problem, Diego. We have an illegal immigration problem - 90% of the illegals come from Mexico and most are definitely not high-skilled. The resumes of the few that are list things like field-stripping a 50 cal machine gun. I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Diego Moita wrote:
The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too
The US has never had an immigration problem, Diego. We have an illegal immigration problem - 90% of the illegals come from Mexico and most are definitely not high-skilled. The resumes of the few that are list things like field-stripping a 50 cal machine gun. I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
With all due respect... can you explain a little further you point? (I dont want to missunderstand you) Thanks in advance! BTW... Almost all the Mexicans reside in America... or are you talking about USA?
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... is that they are returning to their countries[^]. The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too. I saw 2 weeks ago in the Brazilian television that now there are more people returning to here than going to the US. The effects of the economic depression are much milder here.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Oakman wrote:
I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
With all due respect... can you explain a little further you point? (I dont want to missunderstand you) Thanks in advance! BTW... Almost all the Mexicans reside in America... or are you talking about USA?
To them, America only refers to the USA. Go figure.
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Diego Moita wrote:
The article talks about high-skilled immigrants but the trend applies to low skilled ones, too
The US has never had an immigration problem, Diego. We have an illegal immigration problem - 90% of the illegals come from Mexico and most are definitely not high-skilled. The resumes of the few that are list things like field-stripping a 50 cal machine gun. I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
We have an illegal immigration problem
I can't argue against that; defending it's borders is the first priority for every country, the most important reason for it to exist. My gripes in the long gone debate about immigration it was what to do with the illegal immigrants. But I won't go to it again, I think it is obsolete now.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Oakman wrote:
I would imagine that most Mexicans residing in America have no desire to return to a country that is about to dissolve into a civil war.
With all due respect... can you explain a little further you point? (I dont want to missunderstand you) Thanks in advance! BTW... Almost all the Mexicans reside in America... or are you talking about USA?
Yayozama wrote:
can you explain a little further you point? (I dont want to missunderstand you)
(CNN) -- A shootout in a border city that leaves five alleged drug traffickers sprawled dead on the street and seven police wounded. A police chief and his bodyguards gunned down outside his house in another border city. Four bridges into the United States shut down by protesters who want the military out of their towns and who officials say are backed by narcotraffickers.[^] I suppose if I was living in America and my family was still in Mexico I'd want to go back, long enough to get them out. Since the US is cracking down on the border, maybe I'd take 'em south - to Brazil.
Yayozama wrote:
BTW... Almost all the Mexicans reside in America... or are you talking about USA?
Y'know, a long time ago I used to make that distinction - even tried to correct some Canadians when they referred to the States as "America." They told me not to be a flaming arsehole. America and the U.S. are synonymous, they said, and if they wanted to specify the North American continent or both continents they dam-well knew how to do that, eh? One does not have to refer the full name of Mexico (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) to refer to that country, nor to the United States of America in order to refer to mine. (I note in passing that since the phrase "United States" is part of the official name of both countries that phrase, if used, would be the one requiring disambiguation.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
modified on Monday, March 2, 2009 2:03 PM
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Oakman wrote:
We have an illegal immigration problem
I can't argue against that; defending it's borders is the first priority for every country, the most important reason for it to exist. My gripes in the long gone debate about immigration it was what to do with the illegal immigrants. But I won't go to it again, I think it is obsolete now.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
I think it is obsolete now
From your mouth to God's ear. :-D
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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Diego Moita wrote:
people returning to here than going to the US
Is this not good for Brazil? Why would you be concerned about US immigration, or even care? Just wondering from your point of view.
kmg365 wrote:
Is this not good for Brazil?
Yes.
kmg365 wrote:
Why would you be concerned about US immigration, or even care?
Because it would affect many Brazilians, back then. But now, you're right: if people are coming back, it is not our problem anymore. I still can claim humanitarian reasons but I don't think anyone would be interested in them, in here.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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To them, America only refers to the USA. Go figure.
Well, do either you or he refer to yourselves as Americans? I'd bet you use "Canadian" an he uses "Mexicano". Since the last part of USA stands for America, we have traditionally used that as shorthand for the name of the country, hence "American". No offense to others intended, but some overly sensitive neighbors take it poorly... ;)
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kmg365 wrote:
Is this not good for Brazil?
Yes.
kmg365 wrote:
Why would you be concerned about US immigration, or even care?
Because it would affect many Brazilians, back then. But now, you're right: if people are coming back, it is not our problem anymore. I still can claim humanitarian reasons but I don't think anyone would be interested in them, in here.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Yayozama wrote:
can you explain a little further you point? (I dont want to missunderstand you)
(CNN) -- A shootout in a border city that leaves five alleged drug traffickers sprawled dead on the street and seven police wounded. A police chief and his bodyguards gunned down outside his house in another border city. Four bridges into the United States shut down by protesters who want the military out of their towns and who officials say are backed by narcotraffickers.[^] I suppose if I was living in America and my family was still in Mexico I'd want to go back, long enough to get them out. Since the US is cracking down on the border, maybe I'd take 'em south - to Brazil.
Yayozama wrote:
BTW... Almost all the Mexicans reside in America... or are you talking about USA?
Y'know, a long time ago I used to make that distinction - even tried to correct some Canadians when they referred to the States as "America." They told me not to be a flaming arsehole. America and the U.S. are synonymous, they said, and if they wanted to specify the North American continent or both continents they dam-well knew how to do that, eh? One does not have to refer the full name of Mexico (Estados Unidos Mexicanos) to refer to that country, nor to the United States of America in order to refer to mine. (I note in passing that since the phrase "United States" is part of the official name of both countries that phrase, if used, would be the one requiring disambiguation.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
modified on Monday, March 2, 2009 2:03 PM
I only wanted to know about the "civil war" thing, because i dont see anything that serious (I live in Mexico) BUT, I know that the drug situation, here in Mexico, is the worst I can remember (and I suppose the worst in the history of the country). Everyday you hear about 20+ dead bodys in the borders with USA in encounters between the police (or the army, AFI, and all the force of the law) and the droug dealers (just a few days ago I saw a news about a shootout of 3+ hours in the streets). The sad part is that there is always collateral damage. Lucky me (until now at least) I live in the other side of Mexico, in Yucatan (a really paceful place until now). We have drougs here? yes, of course... like almost every other place in the world, but we have no serious problems so far. Its really bad, but at the same time I dont see a "war" comming (and I really hope it isn't). On the other point, fair enough. It was just that I always hear (or read) about the States (refering to USA) and Mexico (refering to Mexico obviously). But no problem. It was only in the context of what you said (maybe I would said "Mexicans residing in the States"). If some part of this doesn't make sense, I'm sorry, I'm a little rusty with my english. Yayo.
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Well, do either you or he refer to yourselves as Americans? I'd bet you use "Canadian" an he uses "Mexicano". Since the last part of USA stands for America, we have traditionally used that as shorthand for the name of the country, hence "American". No offense to others intended, but some overly sensitive neighbors take it poorly... ;)
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Oakman wrote:
We have an illegal immigration problem
I can't argue against that; defending it's borders is the first priority for every country, the most important reason for it to exist. My gripes in the long gone debate about immigration it was what to do with the illegal immigrants. But I won't go to it again, I think it is obsolete now.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Diego Moita wrote:
it is not our problem anymore. I still can claim humanitarian reasons but I don't think anyone would be interested in them, in here.
I suspect US citizens immigrating to Brazil would be a totally different kettle of fish :)
I understand that there is a sub-culture of "Americans" in Brazil ... descendants of some Southern whites (and some blacks) who migrated there after the Civil War. The article about them that I read many years ago lead one to believe that they'd far rather their children marry another "American," regardless of race, than to marry a "non-American" Brazilian (edit: the Wikipedia article disputes this). edit: here is the Wikipedia article[^] on these people Edit2: Amusingly enough, from the article it's clear that Brazilians of a century ago had no difficulty or problem with calling us "Americans." Which is to say, this modern whinging about us "hijacking" the word "America" is just more leftist stupidity.
modified on Monday, March 2, 2009 3:20 PM
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Well, do either you or he refer to yourselves as Americans? I'd bet you use "Canadian" an he uses "Mexicano". Since the last part of USA stands for America, we have traditionally used that as shorthand for the name of the country, hence "American". No offense to others intended, but some overly sensitive neighbors take it poorly... ;)
I am certainly not offended. Here, when we refer to America, we often use "US" or "USA", but we usually use "American" to refer to the people, not the country.
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I only wanted to know about the "civil war" thing, because i dont see anything that serious (I live in Mexico) BUT, I know that the drug situation, here in Mexico, is the worst I can remember (and I suppose the worst in the history of the country). Everyday you hear about 20+ dead bodys in the borders with USA in encounters between the police (or the army, AFI, and all the force of the law) and the droug dealers (just a few days ago I saw a news about a shootout of 3+ hours in the streets). The sad part is that there is always collateral damage. Lucky me (until now at least) I live in the other side of Mexico, in Yucatan (a really paceful place until now). We have drougs here? yes, of course... like almost every other place in the world, but we have no serious problems so far. Its really bad, but at the same time I dont see a "war" comming (and I really hope it isn't). On the other point, fair enough. It was just that I always hear (or read) about the States (refering to USA) and Mexico (refering to Mexico obviously). But no problem. It was only in the context of what you said (maybe I would said "Mexicans residing in the States"). If some part of this doesn't make sense, I'm sorry, I'm a little rusty with my english. Yayo.
Yayozama wrote:
Lucky me (until now at least) I live in the other side of Mexico, in Yucatan (a really paceful place until now).
Fortunately for you the problem is with the territories in Mexico that provide easy access to the U.S. 6,000 bodies found along the border in the last year; the Mayor of Juarez hiding out on this side of the border; the Police Chief of Juarez forced to resign by the drug lords who said they'd kill a cop every 48 hours until he did - he resigned after the first two. . .A lot of the army and federal police force would tell you, I think, that there was a war already being waged.
Yayozama wrote:
If some part of this doesn't make sense, I'm sorry, I'm a little rusty with my english.
Your English is a hellovalot better than my Spanish. :thumbsup:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
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True enough, but the scope of what was meant by America or American has changed a good deal since Europeans first discovered the place. And before Vespucci, no one here used those terms... ;)
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I am certainly not offended. Here, when we refer to America, we often use "US" or "USA", but we usually use "American" to refer to the people, not the country.
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Yayozama wrote:
Lucky me (until now at least) I live in the other side of Mexico, in Yucatan (a really paceful place until now).
Fortunately for you the problem is with the territories in Mexico that provide easy access to the U.S. 6,000 bodies found along the border in the last year; the Mayor of Juarez hiding out on this side of the border; the Police Chief of Juarez forced to resign by the drug lords who said they'd kill a cop every 48 hours until he did - he resigned after the first two. . .A lot of the army and federal police force would tell you, I think, that there was a war already being waged.
Yayozama wrote:
If some part of this doesn't make sense, I'm sorry, I'm a little rusty with my english.
Your English is a hellovalot better than my Spanish. :thumbsup:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.
Oakman wrote:
Fortunately for you the problem is with the territories in Mexico that provide easy access to the U.S. 6,000 bodies found along the border in the last year; the Mayor of Juarez hiding out on this side of the border; the Police Chief of Juarez forced to resign by the drug lords who said they'd kill a cop every 48 hours until he did - he resigned after the first two. . .A lot of the army and federal police force would tell you, I think, that there was a war already being waged.
Yes. We are really ashamed of the situation in the north border (and I say this without political color. I say this as Mexican). Until a few years ago, we didn't have this kind of problem, because we have some kind of treuce (?) with the drug lords here. We let them work, they didn't mess with the people (not further than selling their drugs, that's it). But with the current administration, the president has declared the "war" to the drugs, no matter what it takes. Some factions of people in Mexico (specially the PRD) is using this a way of "punishment" to the president, because they felt they was "robbed" in the elections... but thats another story. (Sometimes a funny one :cool:) How I see the "war"? Well, I feel is the right thing to do (I feel really ashamed of the innocent deads, and I probably would be really upset if I lost a beloved one in this war). We don't want (with all due respect again) to become a Colombia-like country (part of the country IS a Colombia-like right now. I dont want this situation in the rest of the country, no matter where I live). Just to be clear, I asked you about the "civil war" because some of us see this as a "drugs war" and no "civil". (Yes... I know, in this case probably is a To-mei-to, To-ma-to thing)