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  • S Stan Shannon

    Richard A. Abbott wrote:

    It is demeaning.

    So, you are too good to ask me for my money, but empowering the state to reach into my pocket and take my money away from me in order to give to you is a source of pride for you? Are you even capable of thinking about how ridiculous and dangerous that is?

    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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    I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out, so, after you have paid your taxes etc., your money in your pocket is perfectly safe from my prying eyes. Yet, if you lived in Britain, even as a foreigner who has made their home in Britain, I would have no hesitation contributing through our National Insurance and PAYE schemes to and for your well being through our NHS. Call it strange or stupid or whatever, but that is how things are in Britain.

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      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

      we would do whatever we could possibly do.

      I never questioned that, and if something I wrote implied otherwise, I apologise. I have great respect for the UK - and for all of the other countries from whom we are separated by a common language. We are a bit like a family. We can get really pissed at each other, but it's really not a good idea to go after one of us unless you are ready to take on all of us.

      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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      Oakman wrote:

      I apologise

      Not needed. You have nothing to apologize for. Yes, you are right. We are like a large family. We may fall out from time to time but we soon kiss and make-up (so to speak) and look after our own howsoever far away we might actually live.

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        I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out, so, after you have paid your taxes etc., your money in your pocket is perfectly safe from my prying eyes. Yet, if you lived in Britain, even as a foreigner who has made their home in Britain, I would have no hesitation contributing through our National Insurance and PAYE schemes to and for your well being through our NHS. Call it strange or stupid or whatever, but that is how things are in Britain.

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        Stan Shannon
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        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out,

        But you're perfectly ok with stealing. Ok, got it...

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

          So to answer your question, NO, you can't opt out of contributions.

          Then in Britain one doesn't really "choose" national health care as you implied.

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          If there was a referendum tomorrow with the choice of (A) private arranged healthcare or (B) NHS healthcare, my choice would be NHS healthcare. I could have a private healthcare policy if I so choose, but I don't choose that option.

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          • S Stan Shannon

            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

            I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out,

            But you're perfectly ok with stealing. Ok, got it...

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Let me re-phrase what I said. I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out. I will not take money out of your personal pocket. The taxes you are required to pay is all you are required to pay and NOT A PENNY MORE, but if you want to contribute to your favorite charity, then good for you. Yet none of that which I have said authorizes me or excuses me to steal from you or anybody else, and that act of theft is not permitted. But if you look at socialized healthcare as some kind of legalized theft, then, that is your privilege.

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              Let me re-phrase what I said. I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out. I will not take money out of your personal pocket. The taxes you are required to pay is all you are required to pay and NOT A PENNY MORE, but if you want to contribute to your favorite charity, then good for you. Yet none of that which I have said authorizes me or excuses me to steal from you or anybody else, and that act of theft is not permitted. But if you look at socialized healthcare as some kind of legalized theft, then, that is your privilege.

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              Stan Shannon
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              Richard A. Abbott wrote:

              But if you look at socialized healthcare as some kind of legalized theft, then, that is your privilege.

              When government takes money from one person and gives it to someone else, that is absolutely no different at all from that same person picking up a gun and taking the money themselves. It is precisely the same thing (except that the latter is more efficient becuase it doesn't require a bureaucracy which also has to be supported by stealing money from free people)

              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              • S Stan Shannon

                Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                I do not like asking, friend or foe, or anybody for a free hand-out,

                But you're perfectly ok with stealing. Ok, got it...

                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                But you're perfectly ok with stealing.

                ... under threat of violent death.

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                • S Stan Shannon

                  Oakman wrote:

                  My impression is that the Canadians, one on one, are just as tough as the Americans.

                  Quite a lot tougher, I would suspect, considering the climate they have to put up with.

                  Oakman wrote:

                  Why should they? If we stop, they will start.

                  With what? There is no way they are going to dismantle the welfare state. It will continue to grow, consuming their economy and finally their society.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  It will continue to grow, consuming their economy and finally their society.

                  I bet when you read the Wizard of Oz to your kids you let the Wicked Witch of the West win.

                  Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                  • I Ilion

                    _Damian S_ wrote:

                    ah, back to normal I see... ;P

                    Rather depends upon "normal," doesn't it? Is "normal" that CG and company can vanish my posts? Is "normal" that CG and company can call me "full of shit" and then vanish the post in which I show the reverse to be the actual case? Is "normal" that CG and company can attempt to insult me and then pretend that I am "the problem" if I happen (which happens with amusing frequency) to top them? Or, is "normal" that CG and company must be man enough to get back what they want to serve -- or modify their behavior?

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                    _Damian S_
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                    Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made... Of course, I might be wrong, but hasn't happened yet! :laugh:

                    Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010

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                      Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made... Of course, I might be wrong, but hasn't happened yet! :laugh:

                      Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010

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                      _Damian S_ wrote:

                      Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made...

                      :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

                      Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                      • S Stan Shannon

                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                        But if you look at socialized healthcare as some kind of legalized theft, then, that is your privilege.

                        When government takes money from one person and gives it to someone else, that is absolutely no different at all from that same person picking up a gun and taking the money themselves. It is precisely the same thing (except that the latter is more efficient becuase it doesn't require a bureaucracy which also has to be supported by stealing money from free people)

                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                        And from me, my last comment in this thread is another article you should read Universal health care good for employers[^]. No doubt we will return to this subject soon...

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                        • C Christian Graus

                          I am pleased to see that you're actually discussing things around here nowadays. I don't want that to sound patronising, I don't expect you to care what I think, but it still makes me glad.

                          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.

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                          73Zeppelin
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                          I must say, I'm pretty amazed at the way this thread turned out. Decent discussion.

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                          • _ _Damian S_

                            Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made... Of course, I might be wrong, but hasn't happened yet! :laugh:

                            Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010

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                            _Damian S_ wrote:

                            Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made...

                            You have an interesting understanding of "good faith" [and of "compliment"].

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                            • O Oakman

                              _Damian S_ wrote:

                              Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made...

                              :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

                              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                              Ilion
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                              typical trollness from you

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                              • I Ilion

                                typical trollness from you

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                                Oakman
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                                :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

                                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Algoraphobia: An exaggerated fear of the outside world rooted in the belief that one might spontaneously combust due to global warming.

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                                • L Lost User

                                  IlĂ­on wrote:

                                  "Fotress America" is not viable.

                                  Why not? Canada doesn't have 100's of thousands of troops and billions of dollars of equipment spread all over the world defending ungrateful weasels and they seem to be getting along just fine.

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                                  Dan Neely
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                                  That's because they have the US Military to do it instead.

                                  Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                                  • 7 73Zeppelin

                                    I must say, I'm pretty amazed at the way this thread turned out. Decent discussion.

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                                    73Zeppelin wrote:

                                    I must say, I'm pretty amazed at the way this thread turned out. Decent discussion.

                                    Once again, what is different about today as compared to last week?

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                                    • I Ilion

                                      _Damian S_ wrote:

                                      Personally I thought it was more along the lines of wanting to make a snide remark instead of gracefully accepting a compliment in the good faith that it was made...

                                      You have an interesting understanding of "good faith" [and of "compliment"].

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                                      _Damian S_
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                                      Perhaps I choose to believe that CG was being genuine, whereas you clearly choose to believe that it was some covert attempt to smite you...

                                      Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010

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                                      • I Ilion

                                        _Damian S_ wrote:

                                        ah, back to normal I see... ;P

                                        Rather depends upon "normal," doesn't it? Is "normal" that CG and company can vanish my posts? Is "normal" that CG and company can call me "full of shit" and then vanish the post in which I show the reverse to be the actual case? Is "normal" that CG and company can attempt to insult me and then pretend that I am "the problem" if I happen (which happens with amusing frequency) to top them? Or, is "normal" that CG and company must be man enough to get back what they want to serve -- or modify their behavior?

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                                        fred_
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                                        did anyone tell you you hit like a little girl? wait that's cry

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