What's up with peanut alergies these days.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I've also read that not breastfeeding a child is linked to allergies.
I've read that, too. And it makes sense to me. As long as children are breastfed -- apparently that was originally a couple of years in the dawn of civilization - the mother's immune system is helping the child's system learn to tolerate a universe a heck of a lot less tolerable than the womb.
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Oakman wrote:
I've read that, too. And it makes sense to me. As long as children are breastfed -- apparently that was originally a couple of years in the dawn of civilization - the mother's immune system is helping the child's system learn to tolerate a universe a heck of a lot less tolerable than the womb.
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt. Often the advice given is the result of a personal vendetta against a particular parenting practice as much as it is the result of scientific study. Breastfeeding is probably the best example, 30 odd years ago when we were babies our mothers were encouraged to use formula, we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse. I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child. The breastfeeding thing is often taken too far now I think. My niece started school last year at five years old and there were kids who were still being breastfeed before bed every night.
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Oakman wrote:
I've read that, too. And it makes sense to me. As long as children are breastfed -- apparently that was originally a couple of years in the dawn of civilization - the mother's immune system is helping the child's system learn to tolerate a universe a heck of a lot less tolerable than the womb.
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt. Often the advice given is the result of a personal vendetta against a particular parenting practice as much as it is the result of scientific study. Breastfeeding is probably the best example, 30 odd years ago when we were babies our mothers were encouraged to use formula, we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse. I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child. The breastfeeding thing is often taken too far now I think. My niece started school last year at five years old and there were kids who were still being breastfeed before bed every night.
Josh Gray wrote:
five years old and *snip* still being breastfeed before bed every night.
That's just wrong... On the other hand - make sure you are getting some!! ;P Do what you think works best for you guys... yes, breastfeeding is great for the kid's immune system, and the containers breast milk comes in are fun to have around, but at the end of the day, kids will thrive on formula just as well. I remember with our first one, he would NOT sleep on his back or side, only on his stomach. SIDS research suggests always putting your baby to sleep on its side or back, never on its stomach... HOWEVER, given the choice between a sleeping baby with a very mildly increased risk of SIDS, or a baby that screamed the house down and wouldn't sleep, we put him to sleep on his stomach every day. (Although we did buy a SIDS reducing cot mattress - but this was before he was born.)
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Josh Gray wrote:
five years old and *snip* still being breastfeed before bed every night.
That's just wrong... On the other hand - make sure you are getting some!! ;P Do what you think works best for you guys... yes, breastfeeding is great for the kid's immune system, and the containers breast milk comes in are fun to have around, but at the end of the day, kids will thrive on formula just as well. I remember with our first one, he would NOT sleep on his back or side, only on his stomach. SIDS research suggests always putting your baby to sleep on its side or back, never on its stomach... HOWEVER, given the choice between a sleeping baby with a very mildly increased risk of SIDS, or a baby that screamed the house down and wouldn't sleep, we put him to sleep on his stomach every day. (Although we did buy a SIDS reducing cot mattress - but this was before he was born.)
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
_Damian S_ wrote:
That's just wrong...
My theory is if they can ask for it they're too old. That I dont want to fight him for the rights to said containers. Our basic philosophy is to seek advice when we feel we need it and trust in our own common scene. Have you been watching the "Bringing up baby" tv series? The sleeping business has turned into a major drama the last month or so. We've done the controlled crying thing which worked to a degree but he's still not sleeping well./
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So, My son is extremely allergic to cow's milk (It's far worse than lactose intolerance). But, we don't force others to modify their diet around him. Even at three, he knows he is not supposed to drink cow's milk and he knows to ask anybody that gives him milk if it is cow milk. However, when I sat down with a preschool headmaster this morning she made it very clear that he is not to ever bring a lunch that includes anything to do with peanuts. I thought sure, I can deal with that even though my boy loves a "PB&J sammich". So, I asked if they would make sure that he enjoys the same level of quarantine around cow milk. She looked at me like I was crazy and simply said 'no'. Needless to say, it upsets me that my child's allergy is not deemed as important as those with a peanut allergy even though he suffers nearly the same symptoms. My personal feelings aside, when did so many kids start becoming allergic to peanuts? I am not that old and I don't remember it being something we had to be paranoid about when I was in school. Has our diet of processed foods and mass produced meat caused this? Or, is it just another case inconveniencing everybody to appease a few whiners?
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Oakman wrote:
I've read that, too. And it makes sense to me. As long as children are breastfed -- apparently that was originally a couple of years in the dawn of civilization - the mother's immune system is helping the child's system learn to tolerate a universe a heck of a lot less tolerable than the womb.
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt. Often the advice given is the result of a personal vendetta against a particular parenting practice as much as it is the result of scientific study. Breastfeeding is probably the best example, 30 odd years ago when we were babies our mothers were encouraged to use formula, we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse. I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child. The breastfeeding thing is often taken too far now I think. My niece started school last year at five years old and there were kids who were still being breastfeed before bed every night.
Josh Gray wrote:
I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child.
Well, PND is a physical condition brought about by chemical changes, you'll get it or you won't. I'm sure the pressure compounded the problem tho. It is true that any mother who can breastfeed, is doing their baby a favour by doing so, but putting on the pressure does not help anyone. It takes a while to realise it's your kid, and you need to tell everyone else, well meaning or otherwise, to bugger off if they don't like how you do it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
My theory is that introducing babies to government bureaucracy early is associated with the increase in food allergies. Laugh
:) Is that a reaction to our government having guidelines for this at all?
Josh Gray wrote:
Is that a reaction to our government having guidelines for this at all?
Well, ya know, it is a curious correlation. More government health care - more peanut allergies. Just something to think about...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
That's just wrong...
My theory is if they can ask for it they're too old. That I dont want to fight him for the rights to said containers. Our basic philosophy is to seek advice when we feel we need it and trust in our own common scene. Have you been watching the "Bringing up baby" tv series? The sleeping business has turned into a major drama the last month or so. We've done the controlled crying thing which worked to a degree but he's still not sleeping well./
I didn't watch the tv series, although I have read a bit about it (and the saga it has caused). Do you have the baby in the room with you? Or is he in his own room? Ours have never been in the room with us - they went straight into their own rooms as soon as we got home from hospital...
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
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Josh Gray wrote:
five years old and *snip* still being breastfeed before bed every night.
That's just wrong... On the other hand - make sure you are getting some!! ;P Do what you think works best for you guys... yes, breastfeeding is great for the kid's immune system, and the containers breast milk comes in are fun to have around, but at the end of the day, kids will thrive on formula just as well. I remember with our first one, he would NOT sleep on his back or side, only on his stomach. SIDS research suggests always putting your baby to sleep on its side or back, never on its stomach... HOWEVER, given the choice between a sleeping baby with a very mildly increased risk of SIDS, or a baby that screamed the house down and wouldn't sleep, we put him to sleep on his stomach every day. (Although we did buy a SIDS reducing cot mattress - but this was before he was born.)
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
_Damian S_ wrote:
That's just wrong...
My theory is if they can ask for it they're too old. That I dont want to fight him for the rights to said containers. Our basic philosophy is to seek advice when we feel we need it and trust in our own common scene. Have you been watching the "Bringing up baby" tv series? The sleeping business has turned into a major drama the last month or so. We've done the controlled crying thing which worked to a degree but he's still not sleeping well.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child.
Well, PND is a physical condition brought about by chemical changes, you'll get it or you won't. I'm sure the pressure compounded the problem tho. It is true that any mother who can breastfeed, is doing their baby a favour by doing so, but putting on the pressure does not help anyone. It takes a while to realise it's your kid, and you need to tell everyone else, well meaning or otherwise, to bugger off if they don't like how you do it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, PND is a physical condition brought about by chemical changes, you'll get it or you won't. I'm sure the pressure compounded the problem tho.
But what causes the chemical changes? Could undue pressure, either specifically to breastfeed or to generally be a "good" mother cause those kinds of chemical changes? If what you say is correct could pregnant women not be tested for PND?
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_Damian S_ wrote:
That's just wrong...
My theory is if they can ask for it they're too old. That I dont want to fight him for the rights to said containers. Our basic philosophy is to seek advice when we feel we need it and trust in our own common scene. Have you been watching the "Bringing up baby" tv series? The sleeping business has turned into a major drama the last month or so. We've done the controlled crying thing which worked to a degree but he's still not sleeping well.
Deja vu all over again!
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
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Josh Gray wrote:
Is that a reaction to our government having guidelines for this at all?
Well, ya know, it is a curious correlation. More government health care - more peanut allergies. Just something to think about...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Well, ya know, it is a curious correlation. More government health care - more peanut allergies. Just something to think about...
haha Only you Stanley...only you Fact is the Australian governments recommendation comes straight from the WHO, another of those no good, leftie controlled organizations poised to implement a global public health care system once the OWG takes over.
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I didn't watch the tv series, although I have read a bit about it (and the saga it has caused). Do you have the baby in the room with you? Or is he in his own room? Ours have never been in the room with us - they went straight into their own rooms as soon as we got home from hospital...
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
He spent about two months in our room before he outgrew the bassinet and went into the cot in his own room. The current theory is the dummy is the problem. If the dummy has fallen out he will fully wake in the light part of his sleep cycle and as he cant get it back in his mouth he will cry for it. All the dummies are going in the bin on friday and we're going to go through the controlled crying business again over the weekend without the dummies. Fingers crossed
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He spent about two months in our room before he outgrew the bassinet and went into the cot in his own room. The current theory is the dummy is the problem. If the dummy has fallen out he will fully wake in the light part of his sleep cycle and as he cant get it back in his mouth he will cry for it. All the dummies are going in the bin on friday and we're going to go through the controlled crying business again over the weekend without the dummies. Fingers crossed
Good luck! We didn't use dummies at all, and both our boys happily found their thumbs... One has grown out of that (funnily enough, the younger of the two), and hopefully our older one is close to growing out of it too!
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
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Oakman wrote:
I've read that, too. And it makes sense to me. As long as children are breastfed -- apparently that was originally a couple of years in the dawn of civilization - the mother's immune system is helping the child's system learn to tolerate a universe a heck of a lot less tolerable than the womb.
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt. Often the advice given is the result of a personal vendetta against a particular parenting practice as much as it is the result of scientific study. Breastfeeding is probably the best example, 30 odd years ago when we were babies our mothers were encouraged to use formula, we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse. I know of at least one woman who has suffered serious PND as a result of this pressure and being unable to breastfeed her child. The breastfeeding thing is often taken too far now I think. My niece started school last year at five years old and there were kids who were still being breastfeed before bed every night.
Josh Gray wrote:
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt.
Got it in one!
Josh Gray wrote:
we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse
I suppose that midwifery requires a little fanaticism - all of the grief and none of the pay of an obstetrician - but it's a shame when true believers of any ilk stop thinking that they just might be wrong. My ex let the kids breastfeed until they wanted to stop - happened at 9 months and 18 months. She told me that afterwards she was pretty sure they missed it less than she did.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Is that a reaction to our government having guidelines for this at all?
Well, ya know, it is a curious correlation. More government health care - more peanut allergies. Just something to think about...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
More government health care - more peanut allergies. Just something to think about...
Pretty much the same correlation can be drawn between Ilion's posts and Democratic voters. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, PND is a physical condition brought about by chemical changes, you'll get it or you won't. I'm sure the pressure compounded the problem tho.
But what causes the chemical changes? Could undue pressure, either specifically to breastfeed or to generally be a "good" mother cause those kinds of chemical changes? If what you say is correct could pregnant women not be tested for PND?
It's caused by the change in hormones as the body adjusts to not having a baby. One would expect that it would be broadly possible, perhaps.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Our experience of parenting a baby is that it's a minefield of conflicting advice and associated guilt.
Got it in one!
Josh Gray wrote:
we met many midwives who insist that every woman is able to breastfeed and to not do so is tantamount to child abuse
I suppose that midwifery requires a little fanaticism - all of the grief and none of the pay of an obstetrician - but it's a shame when true believers of any ilk stop thinking that they just might be wrong. My ex let the kids breastfeed until they wanted to stop - happened at 9 months and 18 months. She told me that afterwards she was pretty sure they missed it less than she did.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
afterwards she was pretty sure they missed it less than she did
I hope you offered to pick up the slack!! ;-)
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
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Oakman wrote:
A tiny ray of sunshine in this: I heard this morning that the first successful trials of a desensitization process were deemed very successful. The test subjects started off by ingesting a micro-liter of peanut dust and gradually worked their way up to eating large amounts. They expect it to be approved and on the market in a couple of years.
Very interesting. Have you come across anything that attempts to explain the seeming increase in peanut allergies?
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I believe there was a huge Panorama/Horizon or something like that on the subject a month or so ago. I might be able to find something about it, as they really went into some huge depths on the "why" of it all, and how there is huge increase in allergies overall. They had a case study of a boy who was severely allergic to dogs and followed him through the desensitisation treatment, which was totally successful.
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Oakman wrote:
afterwards she was pretty sure they missed it less than she did
I hope you offered to pick up the slack!! ;-)
Knowledge is knowing that the tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in fruit salad!! Booger Mobile - Camp Quality esCarpade 2010
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The peanut thing is very common now, and I've asked the same question. I believe the kids that have it, can die from the tiniest bit of peanut, here kids can't even take chocolate to school if it was 'made on the same equipment as peanuts'. The fact that people print that, means the thing is widespread, although, as you say, it appear to me to be new. I guess it's easier to accidentally get some peanut, than to accidentally get some milk ( unless it affects him if it's in chocolate ), and it's possible ( you don't say ) that his allergy is not as life threatening as we're told the peanut thing is, but if it was me, I'd be saying, if you won't respect my child's life threatening condition, why would I not smear him in peanut butter every day before sending him to school ?
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