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  • S soap brain

    Particles? Bah! They do whatever I tell them to do, exactly as fast as I want.

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    Rob Graham
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    Last time I checked, sometimes "shit happens" no "because" required...

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      Last time I checked, sometimes "shit happens" no "because" required...

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      soap brain
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      Well, you should check again. There's always a 'because', you can thank the conservation laws and thermodynamics for that.

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      • S soap brain

        Oakman wrote:

        Take it up with Yoda.

        Maybe I will.

        Oakman wrote:

        No, I am afraid that you'll find out when you grow up, that there isn't - and even when there is, no-one wants to hear it.

        There is always a reason that things happen, it's just that sometimes you have yet to find out what it is. And it depends what it is, as to whether no-one wants to hear it. I'm still trying to figure it out, but I know that I have to never tell anybody anything about me.

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        Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

        There is always a reason that things happen, it's just that sometimes you have yet to find out what it is.

        I have to say that Jon is right - sometimes there isn't an explanation for why things happen, as I'm sure you'll discover as you get older. It happens to be one of the more maddening aspects of the human condition. By the way - your summation function, while not continuous as written, can be made continuous.

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        • I Ilion

          Tim Craig wrote:

          And you don't have a brain so what's your point?

          And you appear to not have a mind. But since the point is your head, I suppose it's OK that you are determined to be mindless.

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          Ilíon wrote:

          And you appear to not have a mind. But since the point is your head, I suppose it's OK that you are determined to be mindless.

          Again my roomates 10 year old call that insult lame .. get out of grade school

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            Ilíon wrote:

            And you're an anti-rational fool who chooses not to reason logically

            You couldn't find reason and logic if they were stuck to your ass. In fact, you couldn't even empty a boot full of piss if the instructions were taped to bottom.

            "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke

            I'm a proud denizen of the Real Soapbox[^]
            ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!

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            2nd the motion :thumbsup:

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            • I Ilion

              Bob Emmett wrote:

              Well, you've grasped that much, well done.

              When are you going to grasp it?

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              Lost User
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              Ilíon wrote:

              When are you going to grasp it?

              :rolleyes: Miss the point much?

              Bob Emmett wrote:

              Well, you've grasped that much, well done.

              Which, in the context of:

              Ilíon wrote:

              this "science" thingie you worship isn't even about truth in the first place

              is an agreement that science has never been about truth. Toodle-loo, old bean.

              Bob Emmett

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              • S soap brain

                Well, you should check again. There's always a 'because', you can thank the conservation laws and thermodynamics for that.

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                Synaptrik
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                So says the 14 year old master on all things physical. So you are saying that you can prove Quantum Mechanics wrong and validate your assertion? AND can prove there's always a because? Did it come to you in a dream? Lookup some material on Carl Jung and falling frogs.

                This statement is false

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                  Ilíon wrote:

                  And you appear to not have a mind. But since the point is your head, I suppose it's OK that you are determined to be mindless.

                  Again my roomates 10 year old call that insult lame .. get out of grade school

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                  Ilion
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                  You're a fool, and likely intellectually dishonest.

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                  • I Ilion

                    You're a fool, and likely intellectually dishonest.

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                    Oakman
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                    Ilíon wrote:

                    You're a fool

                    Turing Test failure #1

                    Ilíon wrote:

                    intellectually dishonest

                    Turing Test failure #2

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                      Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                      There is always a reason that things happen, it's just that sometimes you have yet to find out what it is.

                      I have to say that Jon is right - sometimes there isn't an explanation for why things happen, as I'm sure you'll discover as you get older. It happens to be one of the more maddening aspects of the human condition. By the way - your summation function, while not continuous as written, can be made continuous.

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                      soap brain
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                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                      I have to say that Jon is right - sometimes there isn't an explanation for why things happen, as I'm sure you'll discover as you get older. It happens to be one of the more maddening aspects of the human condition.

                      *grumble grumble* I maintain that a completely bad reason is still a reason...

                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                      By the way - your summation function, while not continuous as written, can be made continuous.

                      Is that if you say S(x) = { x(1-xn)/(1-x), x != 1; n, x = 1 } ? :confused:

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                        So says the 14 year old master on all things physical. So you are saying that you can prove Quantum Mechanics wrong and validate your assertion? AND can prove there's always a because? Did it come to you in a dream? Lookup some material on Carl Jung and falling frogs.

                        This statement is false

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                        Synaptrik wrote:

                        So you are saying that you can prove Quantum Mechanics wrong and validate your assertion? AND can prove there's always a because?

                        I frame no hypotheses.

                        Synaptrik wrote:

                        Did it come to you in a dream?

                        If things happened for no reason, completely randomly, then science would be an entirely futile exercise. But as it stands, cause and effect still has some say in the matter.

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                        • S soap brain

                          73Zeppelin wrote:

                          I have to say that Jon is right - sometimes there isn't an explanation for why things happen, as I'm sure you'll discover as you get older. It happens to be one of the more maddening aspects of the human condition.

                          *grumble grumble* I maintain that a completely bad reason is still a reason...

                          73Zeppelin wrote:

                          By the way - your summation function, while not continuous as written, can be made continuous.

                          Is that if you say S(x) = { x(1-xn)/(1-x), x != 1; n, x = 1 } ? :confused:

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                          Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                          Is that if you say S(x) = { x(1-xn)/(1-x), x != 1; n, x = 1 } ?

                          I think that's what you mean with your notation. To be clear, calculate the limit at x=1 using l'Hopital's rule (hint: the limit is n). Then you can define the (continuous) function as: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x); for x != 1 S(x) = n; for x=1 Then S(x) is continuous on R. Additionally you could say: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x) is continuous on R\{1} but discontinuous on R.

                          Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                          *grumble grumble* I maintain that a completely bad reason is still a reason...

                          Age will teach you things you cannot learn in school.

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                            Synaptrik wrote:

                            So you are saying that you can prove Quantum Mechanics wrong and validate your assertion? AND can prove there's always a because?

                            I frame no hypotheses.

                            Synaptrik wrote:

                            Did it come to you in a dream?

                            If things happened for no reason, completely randomly, then science would be an entirely futile exercise. But as it stands, cause and effect still has some say in the matter.

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                            When and why does a radioactive atom decay by positron emission?

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                              Ilíon wrote:

                              You're a fool

                              Turing Test failure #1

                              Ilíon wrote:

                              intellectually dishonest

                              Turing Test failure #2

                              Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                              fred_
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                              coming from him that's precious. Fact of the matter is I have yet to see an original thought from him, only regurgitation of dubious links that I suppose makes him feel like a intellectual.

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                              • 7 73Zeppelin

                                When and why does a radioactive atom decay by positron emission?

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                                soap brain
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                                73Zeppelin wrote:

                                When and why does a radioactive atom decay by positron emission?

                                It does it next Tuesday, because visiting its relatives is so dull it loses energy and decays just a little bit. How should I know? I'm no particle physicist - I downloaded a program a while ago called Orbital Viewer[^] and it has a PDF file with it that describes the maths behind orbitals, but I was too dumb to understand it.

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                                  Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                                  Is that if you say S(x) = { x(1-xn)/(1-x), x != 1; n, x = 1 } ?

                                  I think that's what you mean with your notation. To be clear, calculate the limit at x=1 using l'Hopital's rule (hint: the limit is n). Then you can define the (continuous) function as: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x); for x != 1 S(x) = n; for x=1 Then S(x) is continuous on R. Additionally you could say: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x) is continuous on R\{1} but discontinuous on R.

                                  Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                                  *grumble grumble* I maintain that a completely bad reason is still a reason...

                                  Age will teach you things you cannot learn in school.

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                                  soap brain
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                                  73Zeppelin wrote:

                                  I think that's what you mean with your notation.

                                  Yeah, my notation is, I think, slightly made up. Sorry.

                                  73Zeppelin wrote:

                                  To be clear, calculate the limit at x=1 using l'Hopital's rule (hint: the limit is n). Then you can define the (continuous) function as: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x); for x != 1 S(x) = n; for x=1 Then S(x) is continuous on R.

                                  OK, yeah, that's what I meant. ;P

                                  73Zeppelin wrote:

                                  Additionally you could say: S(x) = x(1-x^n)/(1-x) is continuous on R\{1} but discontinuous on R.

                                  Oh really? That's freakin' awesome! :-D

                                  73Zeppelin wrote:

                                  Age will teach you things you cannot learn in school.

                                  Meh. I don't learn much in school anyway. But I'll figure this stuff out earlier than that.

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                                  • S soap brain

                                    73Zeppelin wrote:

                                    When and why does a radioactive atom decay by positron emission?

                                    It does it next Tuesday, because visiting its relatives is so dull it loses energy and decays just a little bit. How should I know? I'm no particle physicist - I downloaded a program a while ago called Orbital Viewer[^] and it has a PDF file with it that describes the maths behind orbitals, but I was too dumb to understand it.

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                                    73Zeppelin
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                                    The decay of a radioactive atom is a completely random process. There is no explanation for when it decays. Nice link, though.

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                                    • 7 73Zeppelin

                                      The decay of a radioactive atom is a completely random process. There is no explanation for when it decays. Nice link, though.

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                                      soap brain
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                                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                                      The decay of a radioactive atom is a completely random process. There is no explanation for when it decays.

                                      But there has to be an explanation for why it's completely random! ;P

                                      73Zeppelin wrote:

                                      Nice link, though.

                                      Thanks! :) I thought it was pretty cool.

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