Not that I agree with it
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Hi Jon, I got your email. Sorry I haven't replied - I'm arranging a move out of France and haven't had much free time. I promise I'll get back to you...
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Not a problem. I know it must be both terrible to be moving and wonderful to be moving out of a county you dislike so much. Is your destination public yet?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Not a problem. I know it must be both terrible to be moving and wonderful to be moving out of a county you dislike so much. Is your destination public yet?
In this case the moving is nothing but a positive. Destination: Luxembourg.
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But, I can understand it.[^] :laugh: Now, when did we stop being ballsy like this in the US? I don't even agree with these tactics but I sure love their spirit.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
It would actually be even more ballsy if the managment kicked some ass on the way out and than the free people attacked the union scum bags with baseball bats.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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It would actually be even more ballsy if the managment kicked some ass on the way out and than the free people attacked the union scum bags with baseball bats.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
No disagreement from me there.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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Oakman wrote:
Not a problem. I know it must be both terrible to be moving and wonderful to be moving out of a county you dislike so much. Is your destination public yet?
In this case the moving is nothing but a positive. Destination: Luxembourg.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Destination: Luxembourg
"One of the BEAST computers occupies three floors of the headquarters of the European Economic Community building in Brussels, not far from the important Illuminati Mother-of-Darkness worldwide headquarters castle near the France-Belgium border near Muno, Belgium. Another BEAST computer is in Luxembourg"[^] So same-old, same-old, eh? Don't you ever get tired of working towards world domination?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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It would actually be even more ballsy if the managment kicked some ass on the way out and than the free people attacked the union scum bags with baseball bats.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the free people attacked the union scum bags with baseball bats
All people who belong to a union are scumbags, or just the ones who hold their bosses hostage?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
All people who belong to a union are scumbags, or just the ones who hold their bosses hostage?
Given the current situation, I would include them all in that category. Does anyone really believe that GM is not going to end up being operated by the unions under Obama? The unions are pushing the current leftist agenda as hard as they can. Anyone who supports that is no countryman of mine.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
the free people attacked the union scum bags with baseball bats
All people who belong to a union are scumbags, or just the ones who hold their bosses hostage?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
All people who belong to a union are scumbags
When I was forced (not really the right word, I know) to belong to a union when I worked in aeronautics in Washington State I felt like scum and couldn't stand my co-workers who loved the union.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Destination: Luxembourg
"One of the BEAST computers occupies three floors of the headquarters of the European Economic Community building in Brussels, not far from the important Illuminati Mother-of-Darkness worldwide headquarters castle near the France-Belgium border near Muno, Belgium. Another BEAST computer is in Luxembourg"[^] So same-old, same-old, eh? Don't you ever get tired of working towards world domination?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
So same-old, same-old, eh? Don't you ever get tired of working towards world domination?
Same old, same old. The circles I move in are quite small. :-\
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Oakman wrote:
All people who belong to a union are scumbags
When I was forced (not really the right word, I know) to belong to a union when I worked in aeronautics in Washington State I felt like scum and couldn't stand my co-workers who loved the union.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
Chris Austin wrote:
When I was forced (not really the right word, I know) to belong to a union when I worked in aeronautics in Washington State I felt like scum and couldn't stand my co-workers who loved the union.
I've worked for employers who made me feel scuzzy for putting up with their crap just because the pay was good - and I despised the co-workers who loved working there. But I didn't extrapolate from that to despising all employers. That would make me feel like Oily. I've been on both sides of the issue as a manager and as a union worker and seen the reasons why unions can be the only protection workers have - and the reasons they can destroy a workplace and eliminate the jobs that it once offered.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote:
All people who belong to a union are scumbags
When I was forced (not really the right word, I know) to belong to a union when I worked in aeronautics in Washington State I felt like scum and couldn't stand my co-workers who loved the union.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
In my experience, the people who were mad keen on unions, were slackers. My hard work is my job security. I can see how that doesn't work for menial labor, but it works for skilled labor, in my book. I had a union official come and sit at my desk, early in my career. She started with 'you can talk to me for as long as you like and your boss can't stop you'. I've often had good relationships with bosses that my co workers hate. Always because I worked and they did not. I told her to bugger off.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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Chris Austin wrote:
When I was forced (not really the right word, I know) to belong to a union when I worked in aeronautics in Washington State I felt like scum and couldn't stand my co-workers who loved the union.
I've worked for employers who made me feel scuzzy for putting up with their crap just because the pay was good - and I despised the co-workers who loved working there. But I didn't extrapolate from that to despising all employers. That would make me feel like Oily. I've been on both sides of the issue as a manager and as a union worker and seen the reasons why unions can be the only protection workers have - and the reasons they can destroy a workplace and eliminate the jobs that it once offered.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
But I didn't extrapolate from that to despising all employers. That would make me feel like Oily.
Of course, thats why I didn't say that I couldn't stand all of my co-workers just the ones that loved the worthless union. And, I do agree that are times when a union is needed but where I was they were an impediment to hard work.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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In my experience, the people who were mad keen on unions, were slackers. My hard work is my job security. I can see how that doesn't work for menial labor, but it works for skilled labor, in my book. I had a union official come and sit at my desk, early in my career. She started with 'you can talk to me for as long as you like and your boss can't stop you'. I've often had good relationships with bosses that my co workers hate. Always because I worked and they did not. I told her to bugger off.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
Yeah, I received several threats of physical violence. I wasn't a 'union man' because I got along with my boss and I didn't care to go their parties and such.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've often had good relationships with bosses that my co workers hate. Always because I worked and they did not. I told her to bugger off.
I had some gombas come and corner me when I was trying to eat because I needed a computer moved and I couldn't wait four hours for them to get around to it. They wanted to make sure that I understood I wasn't to do 'their' job. Told them sorry, but inside I was hoping one of them would 'take a shot' at me.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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Yeah, I received several threats of physical violence. I wasn't a 'union man' because I got along with my boss and I didn't care to go their parties and such.
Christian Graus wrote:
I've often had good relationships with bosses that my co workers hate. Always because I worked and they did not. I told her to bugger off.
I had some gombas come and corner me when I was trying to eat because I needed a computer moved and I couldn't wait four hours for them to get around to it. They wanted to make sure that I understood I wasn't to do 'their' job. Told them sorry, but inside I was hoping one of them would 'take a shot' at me.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
I worked a trade show in LA last year. We got stopped from setting up our booth, we had to wait for someone to come and do it ( badly ) . The timing meant we had to pay for him to take a break as well. We ended up putting it up ourselves, he couldn't do it right. We just were forced to pay him.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
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But, I can understand it.[^] :laugh: Now, when did we stop being ballsy like this in the US? I don't even agree with these tactics but I sure love their spirit.
Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --?
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In my experience, the people who were mad keen on unions, were slackers. My hard work is my job security. I can see how that doesn't work for menial labor, but it works for skilled labor, in my book. I had a union official come and sit at my desk, early in my career. She started with 'you can talk to me for as long as you like and your boss can't stop you'. I've often had good relationships with bosses that my co workers hate. Always because I worked and they did not. I told her to bugger off.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "I am new to programming world. I have been learning c# for about past four weeks. I am quite acquainted with the fundamentals of c#. Now I have to work on a project which converts given flat files to XML using the XML serialization method" - SK64 ( but the forums have stuff like this posted every day )
Christian Graus wrote:
I had a union official come and sit at my desk, early in my career. She started with 'you can talk to me for as long as you like and your boss can't stop you' [...] I told her to bugger off.
I guess she wasn't hot? :-D
Cheers, Vıkram.
Carpe Diem.