WTF is she talking about?

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

They must believe that there is some very important reason to act in a specified way or else our most base animal instincts will become the dominant force in our society, reguiring ever more centralized, authoritarian rule over our lives

But, if I understand you, you don't. Instead you appear to be using Christanity as a cover for your fear of anything you don't understand. You seem to be praising religion because it can rule through fear - here on earth and by using threats about an afterlife (which, apparently, you are no more sure of than I am.) What is it you are so afraid of that you have this overwhelming need to coerce everyone else into behaving the way you do?

Stan Shannon wrote:

On the other hand, instanity is also looking at a social formula that was producing the desired results and purposefully obliterating it just becuase you desired different results.

Strictly speaking, no. That isn't insanity. That's changing the rules of the game so you come out the winner. Since the original rules were stacked in someone else's favor, that's actually a definition of survival.

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[Stan Shannon]

Oakman wrote:

Instead you appear to be using Christanity as a cover for your fear of anything you don't understand. You seem to be praising religion because it can rule through fear - here on earth and by using threats about an afterlife (which, apparently, you are no more sure of than I am.) What is it you are so afraid of that you have this overwhelming need to coerce everyone else into behaving the way you do?

Jon, that is ridiculous beyond words. I mean, here you are fear mongering about me fear mongering. You are doing precisely what you are accusing me of by accusing me of it. "The fear mongers are coming, the fear mongers are coming!!! Run away!!!!" :laugh: Not very mensa like of you, I must say.

Oakman wrote:

Since the original rules were stacked in someone else's favor, that's actually a definition of survival.

No, I'm actually pretty damned sure that willingly changing the rules that were stacked in your favor to be stacked in favor of someone else pretty much defines suicide.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

Stan Shannon wrote:

I mean, here you are fear mongering about me fear mongering.

I said that's what it seemed like to me. I'd be delighted to have a rational explanation for your behavior. As I said, you are a puzzlement to me. By the way, I certainly am not advocating anyone running away from you. Not even your family. ;)

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[Chris Austin]

FTA

"We've seen how it has contributed to some serious problems in our nation and world," McCain said, in an apparent reference to the government under GOP control. "Let me blunt, you can't assume you're electing the right leaders to handle all the problems facing our nation when you make your choice based on one issue. More and more people are finally getting that."

Either McCain knew this before the election and willfully partook in wild double think when he chose his running mate or he did an honest postmortem on the results.

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[Oakman]

Chris Austin wrote:

he did an honest postmortem on the results.

If the September semi-crash had been successfully postponed until after the election, do you think McCain would have won?

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[Chris Austin]

Oakman wrote:

If the September semi-crash had been successfully postponed until after the election, do you think McCain would have won?

I think he had a Puncher's Chance until he chose Palin not much more. After that choice it was like watching a reality TV show.

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[Oakman]

Chris Austin wrote:

he chose Palin not much more

I said, in this forum the day after her selection, that he'd committed suicide by choosing her. I felt very sad watching someone I had respected pander to the Christian right-wing so many times in so many ways. I admit, I was taken aback by the rockstar treatment she received from some Republicans, and very angered by the trashmouthing immediately evidenced by the left when they began to perceive her as a threat (similar to what is now being said about everyone who attended a tea-party), but I never thought her advantages outweighed her disadvantages both directly and because of what her selection said to me about McCain.

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[Rob Graham]

Chris Austin wrote:

Either McCain knew this before the election and willfully partook in wild double think when he chose his running mate or he did an honest postmortem on the results.

Maybe his daughter explained it to him.

[Rob Graham]

Oakman wrote:

pander to the Christian right-wing

There is no such thing. It's a Marxist invention . Stan just told me so.

[Oakman]

Rob Graham wrote:

Stan just told me so

Well, what Number Two says, goes. At least until we find out who is Number One.

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[Chris Austin]

I didn't even want to go there :-D

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[Chris Austin]

:laugh:

Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell