A brave women...

[Stan Shannon]

Fascism (national socialism) is best defined as coopting all institutions of a society to service the political agenda of those who control the natonal government. That is precisely what the gay marriage campaign is all about. This woman stood up and proudly opposed it. She stared into the teeth of the monster and shouted her defiance. Good for her.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Brady Kelly]

:confused:

[Brady Kelly]

Stan Shannon wrote:

That is precisely what the gay marriage campaign is all about.

And everyone that has been conned by this evil movement thought it was just about affording citizens that have committed no crime, and that pay taxes like everybody else, the same rights as everybody else.

[Rob Graham]

Regardless of ones own belief on the issue, the real question is why should the politically correct answer to a question which clearly requests an opininon (Do you think...) be required as a prerequisite to winning a fracking beauty contest? She gave here opinion, and explained it, and apologized in the event her opinion was offensive to anyone. What does not having the "correct" opinion have to do with her qualifications to win or not win the contest. (BTW, I think the whole pageant thing is absurd, sexist and demeaning of women, and this just provides more proof of that - at least the absurd part). I hope they lose what few remaining sponsors they have, and disappear from the scene. The only function of this thinly disguised flesh show is to make money for Donald Trump.

[Rob Graham]

If that were the real issue here, then why does the gay rights movement find legal civil unions (which provide the same rights) unacceptable? Why the insistence of the word marriage?

[Rob Graham]

kmg365 wrote:

cross species marriage...

I think Ilion is already taken... :~

[Brady Kelly]

Rob Graham wrote:

Regardless of ones own belief on the issue, the real question is why should the politically correct answer to a question which clearly requests an opininon (Do you think...) be required as a prerequisite to winning a fracking beauty cont

I agree there, and I do feel that she was unjustly prejudiced by her remark, but it kind of goes with the territory that you buy into by entering such a contest.

[Brady Kelly]

Maybe because other people find the term 'gay marriage' unacceptable? I don't know, but if it were me I'd settle for civil unionon paper and 'marriage' in practice.

[Le centriste]

You live in a free country: everybody is free to do what they want. You have free speech: everybody should be able to speak their mind without fear, even if they don't agree with you. You live in a country of paradoxes.

[Stan Shannon]

Brady Kelly wrote:

And everyone that has been conned by this evil movement thought it was just about affording citizens that have committed no crime, and that pay taxes like everybody else, the same rights as everybody else.

Precisely. It has nothing to do with any of that.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

[Oakman]

kmg365 wrote:

Bigger balls then Hilton, perhaps.

Does he like Paris, too?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

[Oakman]

kmg365 wrote:

I expect some will protest for cross species marriage...

If you look around you at work, are you sure that hasn't already been happening?

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

[Brady Kelly]

Where does he work? :~

[Rob Graham]

Brady Kelly wrote:

but it kind of goes with the territory that you buy into by entering such a contest.

I don't think there is anything in the contest rules that says "you must have politically correct opinions, or at least lie about those that are incorrect" or words to that effect. The judge that invented that is simply a gay bigot.

[Brady Kelly]

Maybe one of the judges was a gay bigot, but I'm sure he or she wasn't alone in condemning Prejean's comments.

[Oakman]

Brady Kelly wrote:

Where does he work?

Doesn't matter. I could have said as easily "the next time you get on a bus." Although i have noticed that the physical specimens displayed in any fairly large IT shop are especially indicative of interspecies reproduction. I swear I worked in a cube next to a guy whose whinneying laugh made it clear his mother was Catherine the Great.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

[John Carson]

Rob Graham wrote:

If that were the real issue here, then why does the gay rights movement find legal civil unions (which provide the same rights) unacceptable? Why the insistence of the word marriage?

Maybe because using the word marriage is one of the rights and maybe because your claim that civil unions provide the same rights is baseless. The rights of gay people in relationships are governed by a host of state and federal laws. Neither a state grant of civil unions nor even a state grant of marriage will be sufficient to provide equal rights. Indeed the Federal Defence of Marriage Act explicitly bars certain rights to gay couples, even if they are married (e.g., the right of a foreign marriage partner of a US citizen to emigrate to the US and get a Green Card). Gay people won't get equal rights until anti-gay attitudes have lost their political power. Making gay marriage acceptable is part of the process of combatting the cultural and hence political power of anti-gay attitudes.

John Carson

[Rob Graham]

No, most of the gay community and fellow travelers have excoriated the young lady. The judge in question was this[^] fine example of gay manhood. Reading the bio suggests he is a serial asshole, as well as gay bigot.

[Oakman]

John Carson wrote:

Making gay marriage acceptable is part of the process of combatting the cultural and hence political power of anti-gay attitudes.

I am foursquare behind gay marriage. I see no reason why only heterosexuals should suffer.

Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

[kmg365]

No, what are you talking about? Link?