And they said Palin was too naive

Mike Gaskey

0[^] typically exercises his brain weeks after the mouth moves, apparently.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Oakman

Oh boy, Oily gonna get pissed at him over this one.

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kmg365

You know, this morning before work I was saying to myself, what the heck is Palin doing? So I went to the official Alaska gov web site and what-a-know they are going after her like they are going after former justice department lawyers. They are filing law suites for every damn thing. Then I see king interviewed the would be grand-son-in-law. I can't help to think 'you-go-girl' need to contribute to her campaign... but I don't think she has one yet. This I know, the socialist are afraid of her.

Mike Gaskey

All of the left and a part of the right (well, not right but more the GOP establishment) are scared shitless of the Honorable Sarah Palin so they're doing everything in their power to diminish someone I think is terrific. They're (the left and GOP establishment) acting like a pack of sick hungry wolves. I've already told my wife that if Sarah makes herself available for the 2012 race she will not see me for long periods of time, I'll be pounding the pavement for Palin. She'll beat both groups the same way Reagan did, the public won't listen to the crap out of these two groups (which includes mainstream media), but they'll give her a hearing. I did in fact vote for McCain, but would have stayed home had he not added her to his ticket. Check out: http://www.teamsarah.org/[^] when you want to see what her backers think. Another site: http://www.conservatives4palin.com/[^]

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Mike Gaskey

Oakman wrote:

Oily gonna get pissed at him over this one.

nah, Oily's still trying to figure out why it is a good thing not to do everything in your power to save innocent lives.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

kmg365

Thanks for the links.

Oakman

One thing is for damn sure, regardless of your views on Palin. The almost-son-in-law is turning out to be a helluva argument for abstinence.

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Mike Gaskey

Oakman wrote:

The almost-son-in-law is turning out to be a helluva

I heard he pimp-slapped Larry King the other night.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

John Carson

So after Bush couldn't get Guantanamo Bay sorted out in 6 years (his attempts to try people kept getting aborted by the Supreme Court and other considerations), Obama is to be the object of derision for not sorting it out in a couple of months. A typical example of the different standards of judgment you apply to the two parties.

John Carson

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Umm... Bush tried to "sort it out"? I don't believe Bush saw anything there that needed sorting out.

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Ilion

Mike Gaskey wrote:

0[^] typically exercises his brain weeks after the mouth moves, apparently.

Or, sometimes, months or even years (you know, the whole "all these Bush policies are totally wrong and must be abandoned at once" thingie).

Lost User

Ilíon wrote:

Or, sometimes, months or even years (you know, the whole "all these Bush policies are totally wrong and must be abandoned at once" thingie).

Another penetrating insight.

Bob Emmett

Oakman

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I heard he pimp-slapped Larry King the other night.

I saw outtakes - the way-past-his-prime interviewing the never-will-have-a-prime.

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Le centriste

So, what would be your suggestion? They are there since 7 years without any trial.

Rob Graham

The question of whether to keep prisoners there and the question of how to try them are separate issues. Bush had not problem with the first, Obama has problems with both, having rushed to the decision to close the prison before having worked out where to move the prisoners.

Oakman

Le Centriste wrote:

So, what would be your suggestion? They are there since 7 years without any trial.

The problem is that Bush, rightly or wrongly (I think wrongly), insisted that we were not at war and these prisoners were, ipso facto, not prisoners of war. There is a point to be made there, but it seems to me that -- lacking any other guidance except from Alberto ("I can't recall") Gonzales - treating as if they were P.O.W.'s might have made great good sense. Creating a third category besides criminals and POW's and then not formulating strict rules (via Congress) about how we would treat them is another example of the Bush Administration's short-sightedness. Such treatment (as POW's) would have precluded the "harsh interrogation" techniques that were used and there is some evidence that has been alluded to that suggests we obtain information by using those techniques that we wouldn't have gotten any other way. On the other hand, that is always true and it might have saved many lives, for instance, if we had routinely used those techniques on POW's in WWII. Nonetheless, there were few allegations, and less proof, of that kind of behavior back then. Now Obama is stuck - as I believe Bush intended him to be - with the problem of Gitmo. Whatever use the prison might have once had as a source of information is totally outdated. Most of the prisoners have been rejected by their countries of origin, no other country will incarcerate them, and even Yemen will accept them only if paid to do so and with no guarantees that they will not release them a day later. Although it is with the benefit of hindsight, it is clear that a "take no prisoners" attitude among our soldiers would have been the wisest course, if not one much of the U.S. could be comfortable with. I am at a loss to understand why Obama cancelled the military tribunals, except as political grandstanding. These were trials, authorised by the Congress, and with the power to sentence or release the prisoners. Instead, he has condemned some who might have been freed to continue to wait upon a President's pleasure and granted a reprieve to some who might have been proved to be guilty of mass murder.

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Mike Gaskey

Le Centriste wrote:

So, what would be your suggestion? They are there since 7 years without any trial.

I'm content to leave them there. Obama obviously didn't have a clue what to do he was only pandering to the left when he announced the closure, rather like announcing a trip to the moon then asking directions.

Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

Lost User

In a civil trial the concept of "reasonable doubt" is well understood. Is it the same for Military Tribunals in the USA or is there some other test that doesn't have a civil equivalence?

Le centriste

So, he's kinda stuck in a catch-22 situation. :doh:

Le centriste

Mike Gaskey wrote:

I'm content to leave them there

What good would it do?