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John Carson wrote:
For what it is worth, my impression from a distance is that the system would be fairer if there was less plea bargaining with prosecuting attorneys and more judicial determination of sentences.
a pretty logical approach, would work well if judges applied the law with no bias.
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Mike Gaskey wrote: a pretty logical approach, would work well if judges applied the law with no bias. Well, they certainly couldn't do any worse than the average jury does now.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Does that mean you want to live in Stanutopia?
Yeah, because traditional American society was such an awful place, and all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
because traditional American society was such an awful place
In many ways, it was and is.
Stan Shannon wrote:
all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes...
Again as has already been pointed out to you, you confuse them with you. You're only a hero in your own mind.
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John Carson wrote:
The same sentence is applicable in both cases wouldn't you say?
if it worked that way I would agree it is the correct way but I seriously doubt it works that way in practice - it'll come much closer to the way I described it. I have a specific example where two 21 year old kids stuck up (mugged, at gun point) a woman. both were equally guilty, one white and one black. the white kid turned on the black kid and the white kid's father came up with $50,000 for a lawyer and forensic phycologist to make a case for leniency by the court. the black kid had a public defender. The white kid got a year and a half of house arrest, the black kid got 7 years in the state pen. that is not an unusual outcome. I happen to be aware of the circumstance because the white kid is a distant family member.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I happen to be aware of the circumstance because the white kid is a distant family member.
A Gaskey committing a crime and then gaming the system and not accepting responsibility? :wtf:
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I happen to be aware of the circumstance because the white kid is a distant family member.
A Gaskey committing a crime and then gaming the system and not accepting responsibility? :wtf:
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A Gaskey committing a crime and then gaming the system and not accepting responsibility?
no, I said distant.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Does that mean you want to live in Stanutopia?
Yeah, because traditional American society was such an awful place, and all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote: all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes... Since, when you were younger (and our nation was at war) you made choices deliberately designed to keep you out of harm's way, one has to assume that you do indeed believe that soldiers who fight and die for their country are assholes - and not nearly as deserving of the fruits of freedom as you are.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
because traditional American society was such an awful place
In many ways, it was and is.
Stan Shannon wrote:
all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes...
Again as has already been pointed out to you, you confuse them with you. You're only a hero in your own mind.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
In many ways, it was and is.
Tim Craig wrote:
Again as has already been pointed out to you, you confuse them with you. You're only a hero in your own mind.
Never mind me, you are the one saying these guys were dieing to defend an awful place. So, are you suggesting that their deaths were worth while so that your fat, perverted drug addict ass could do whatever you please? When those guys died on Omaha beach, you think they had you in mind, or their moms and dads and their sharia law like view of American culture? Which do you think it was?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote: all those guys who died defending it were such a bunch of assholes... Since, when you were younger (and our nation was at war) you made choices deliberately designed to keep you out of harm's way, one has to assume that you do indeed believe that soldiers who fight and die for their country are assholes - and not nearly as deserving of the fruits of freedom as you are.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
when you were younger (and our nation was at war) you made choices deliberately designed to keep you out of harm's way,
Why do you keep insulting me? What have I ever done to you? I did my duty.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
when you were younger (and our nation was at war) you made choices deliberately designed to keep you out of harm's way,
Why do you keep insulting me? What have I ever done to you? I did my duty.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Tim Craig wrote:
In many ways, it was and is.
Tim Craig wrote:
Again as has already been pointed out to you, you confuse them with you. You're only a hero in your own mind.
Never mind me, you are the one saying these guys were dieing to defend an awful place. So, are you suggesting that their deaths were worth while so that your fat, perverted drug addict ass could do whatever you please? When those guys died on Omaha beach, you think they had you in mind, or their moms and dads and their sharia law like view of American culture? Which do you think it was?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
your fat, perverted drug addict ass
Sorry, I'm not a member of your family.
Stan Shannon wrote:
When those guys died on Omaha beach
Again, you don't bother seeing anyone's point of view other than your own. I'm merely pointed out that your narrow little Stan glasses view of the country isn't and has never been valid. There's a lot more to it than you seem to be capable of comprehending.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
your fat, perverted drug addict ass
Sorry, I'm not a member of your family.
Stan Shannon wrote:
When those guys died on Omaha beach
Again, you don't bother seeing anyone's point of view other than your own. I'm merely pointed out that your narrow little Stan glasses view of the country isn't and has never been valid. There's a lot more to it than you seem to be capable of comprehending.
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ACCEPT NO SUBSTITUTES!!!Tim Craig wrote:
Sorry, I'm not a member of your family.
With a name like Craig, don't be too sure.
Tim Craig wrote:
Again, you don't bother seeing anyone's point of view other than your own.
I'm willing to bet I have given far greater consideration to far more points of view than have you.
Tim Craig wrote:
I'm merely pointed out that your narrow little Stan glasses view of the country isn't and has never been valid. There's a lot more to it than you seem to be capable of comprehending.
My analysis of the history of this country is completely valid. The issue is that you are representative of a class of people who have been made to hate your own civilization. Let me ask you this, Tim, were your grandparents christians?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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John Carson wrote: There is no better than an even money chance that any official responsible for the torture policy will even be charged. I wouldn't give you better than 2:5 - at worst/best we'll have a show trial or two of a couple of low-level contractors who hooked on with the CIA when they started hiring in 2001, and now wish they hadn't. John Carson wrote: The overall environment is strongly hostile to prosecution, let alone conviction. I think it depends on what media you are exposed to. Watch MSNBC for awhile, and you'll see supposedly rational humans having trouble differentiating between the murder of 13 million non-combatants and the excesses okayed by the Bush administration. Of course, I suppose they could be dismissed as a kind of left-wing blog. . .
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Oakman wrote:
I think it depends on what media
Testing functionality with different identity
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Oakman wrote:
I think it depends on what media
Testing functionality with different identity
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Tim Craig wrote:
Sorry, I'm not a member of your family.
With a name like Craig, don't be too sure.
Tim Craig wrote:
Again, you don't bother seeing anyone's point of view other than your own.
I'm willing to bet I have given far greater consideration to far more points of view than have you.
Tim Craig wrote:
I'm merely pointed out that your narrow little Stan glasses view of the country isn't and has never been valid. There's a lot more to it than you seem to be capable of comprehending.
My analysis of the history of this country is completely valid. The issue is that you are representative of a class of people who have been made to hate your own civilization. Let me ask you this, Tim, were your grandparents christians?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
With a name like Craig, don't be too sure.
Well, Craig is Pictish so I'm pretty sure we predate the Shannons. But we probably wandered down by the bog to check out the new comers' women in what was obviously a vain attempt to improve your bloodline.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm willing to bet I have given far greater consideration to far more points of view than have you.
Your particular filter doesn't allow you to really consider other views.
Stan Shannon wrote:
My analysis of the history of this country is completely valid.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The issue is that you are representative of a class of people who have been made to hate your own civilization.
I don't hate it. However, I do realize that our culture isn't perfect and there's room to improve. You, however, do hate everything that doesn't fit your narrow little definition of the world.
Stan Shannon wrote:
were your grandparents christians?
I have no idea, I never discussed it with them. But what difference does it make if they were? According to that reasoning, the Shannons shouldn't have ignored Tevye singing "Tradition" and you'd be a practicing Druid. My grandfather was a farmer so I should be one, too? Probably not that far back, I had some ancestors who were illiterate, so I shouldn't read and think? Christianity is pretty johnny come lately. Especially, protestantism which you seem to favor.
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