Definition of the New World Order

Captain See Sharp

Fuck that I don't have to prove a damn thing to any of you. I'm not going to think for you. That is for your government to do. Go watch TV.

Stan Shannon

I am one of those who laughed at and ridiculed the John Bircher types all through the cold war (and there were a lot of them around in the places I lived). But I am finding it ever more difficult to completely reject that something along these lines is in fact occuring. The way things fall into place so easily, the timing of various events could not have been better orchestrated for a given affect. And why not? Would it really be all that difficult for it to be carried off? Ironically, for all the left's attacks on us 'right wing' conservatives, I think the poor dumb bastards are being played for saps by the real right wingers. And the most important goal is the destruction of the Jeffersonian foundtations of American civilization. To make the American people enemies (think Tim Craig) of their own history and traditions. do that and you bring everyone together in a really big tent - and start passing out the kool aide.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Christian Graus

Intel 4004 wrote:

I don't have to prove a damn thing to any of you

True. but, if you can't or won't defend your views, why post them ?

Intel 4004 wrote:

I'm not going to think for you. That is for your government to do. Go watch TV.

So, watching TV is the same as thinking ? CNN is not on in Australia, BTW.

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Lost User

To be honest, I preferred the 'i'll shove the proof within a cactus into your bloody brain through your nose' message you deleted. Go with your gut next time! Pizazz is what the producers are looking for! Pizazz!

- F

Captain See Sharp

Now that is what I am getting at. Someone else here can see things a little more clearly.

Stan Shannon wrote:

And the most important goal is the destruction of the Jeffersonian foundtations of American civilization. To make the American people enemies (think Tim Craig) of their own history and traditions. do that and you bring everyone together in a really big tent - and start passing out the kool aide.

Yes. They want to destroy the social and moral fabric of this country so we loose track of who we are and feel helpless. Most of all it prevents anyone from speaking out against the real enemies which are portrayed as saviors. They already have most of the world's economy in their hands. Their next goal is to have our hearts and minds. Psychological warfare is the ultimate key to their success.

Captain See Sharp

Christian Graus wrote:

So, watching TV is the same as thinking ?

It certainly is. TV leaves little room for free thought. TV dominates the mind with the program and commercials. Have you ever seen someone spaced out in front of the TV with his/her mouth wide open and eyes glazed over? I have, I've even done it myself.

Christian Graus

Intel 4004 wrote:

TV leaves little room for free thought.

That would be my point. Turning on TV and thinking are mutually exclusive.

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Christian Graus

You two should just get a room. A padded one would be best. This insane rambling has gone on for a long time, and nothing has ever happened to prove it to be true.

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Stan Shannon

Intel 4004 wrote:

Someone else here can see things a little more clearly.

I don't claim clarity on any of it. But there certainly appear to be forms moving in the fog.

Intel 4004 wrote:

Yes. They want to destroy the social and moral fabric of this country so we loose track of who we are and feel helpless. Most of all it prevents anyone from speaking out against the real enemies which are portrayed as saviors. They already have most of the world's economy in their hands. Their next goal is to have our hearts and minds. Psychological warfare is the ultimate key to their success.

Well, its about destruction of the notion that people can be self governing and replacing it with an hidiously deformed mutant of that ideal. A mutant that makes people feel self governing while actually completely controlled by a central political authority.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Captain See Sharp

What about NAFTA, Patriot Act, operation of central banks, IMF using terms of loans to control third world nations. Here us a quote you should read. "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during these years. But the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government which will never again know war, but only peace and prosperity for the whole of humanity. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in the past centuries. It is also our duty to inform the press of our convictions as to the historic future of the century." David Rockefeller 1991

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

A mutant that makes people feel self governing while actually completely controlled by a central political authority.

The US has been like that for a long time. How do you actually have power over the way your country is run. You think voting makes any difference ? You think who is in power makes a whole lot of difference ?

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Christian Graus

Intel 4004 wrote:

What about NAFTA, Patriot Act, operation of central banks, IMF using terms of loans to control third world nations

How do any of those things prove a centralised conspiracy ? How about this quote: "My favourite pastime is to read about the 'new world order', and the pathetic idea that I'd spend all my time trying to control the world when the fact is I am so rich that I don't need to take on another job, I can spend the day eating caviar and getting laid" - David Rockefeller 1992

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Stan Shannon

Christian Graus wrote:

The US has been like that for a long time.

No, it hasn't. I wasn't raised that way, my parents were not that way, nor anyone before that.

Christian Graus wrote:

How do you actually have power over the way your country is run.

Jeffersonian democracy. It is still setting there, just waiting to be used.

Christian Graus wrote:

You think voting makes any difference ? You think who is in power makes a whole lot of difference ?

The issue is about people not power. You have to turn them against their own society and traditions, as you are trying to do now.

Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

Captain See Sharp

Christian Graus wrote:

How do any of those things prove a centralised conspiracy ?

Use you goddamn pathetic brain you moron. Are you really so stupid that you can't add 1+1? :wtf:

Christian Graus

Stan Shannon wrote:

I wasn't raised that way, my parents were not that way, nor anyone before that.

Like you said, tell people they have control, but don't give it to them.

Stan Shannon wrote:

Jeffersonian democracy. It is still setting there, just waiting to be used.

If I understand your use of this term in the past, you're referring to gun ownership ?

Stan Shannon wrote:

as you are trying to do now.

Am I ?

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Captain See Sharp

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8259800846851144110&ei=3Jn_SeKDMJ6y_AHtmaG1CQ&q=new+world+order+bush&dur=1[^]

Christian Graus

So, we're back to the insults because you have no answers. Excellent.

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Christian Graus

So he used the term 'new world order'. Do you think that that he meant by that terminology what you mean by it ?

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Captain See Sharp

Christian Graus wrote:

Do you think that that he meant by that terminology what you mean by it ?

Did you here what he said about the United Nations? Explain to me in your view what he meant by that...

Christian Graus

That he hoped for the united nations to be better empowered in it's role, which is to act on the basis of voting that occurs by member nations, to enforce it's will on the world, in theory to stop things like genocide. What do you think he means ? If he was calling for a new leader to rule the world with an iron fist, why was there no outcry over this speech ?

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