Armarium Magnum: "Agora" and Hypatia - Hollywood Strikes Again
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Oakman wrote:
Achilles into a hetreosexual
Or Abraham Lincoln for that matter... :rolleyes:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Or Abraham Lincoln for that matter
Nawww, you're kidding me. He had no sense of style. :laugh:
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Ilíon wrote:
Which isn't nearly as bad as making him out to be "gay."
Achilles was as queer as a three dollar bill. Not exclusively, but definitely. You need to stop getting your history spoonerized.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Achilles was as queer as a three dollar bill. Not exclusively, but definitely.
Which is to say, he was not "gay" (which is a modern-day socio-political thing), nor a homosexual (which term also reflects a concept foreign to his culture).
Oakman wrote:
You need to stop getting your history spoonerized.
Spoonerized? :laugh: :doh:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Or Abraham Lincoln for that matter
Nawww, you're kidding me. He had no sense of style. :laugh:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Yeah, completely unlike the stylish way Achilles offed Hector. Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Achilles was as queer as a three dollar bill. Not exclusively, but definitely.
Which is to say, he was not "gay" (which is a modern-day socio-political thing), nor a homosexual (which term also reflects a concept foreign to his culture).
Oakman wrote:
You need to stop getting your history spoonerized.
Spoonerized? :laugh: :doh:
Ilíon wrote:
Which is to say, he was not "gay" (which is a modern-day socio-political thing), nor a homosexual (which term also reflects a concept foreign to his culture).
Nope, he fucked boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullshit.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Yeah, completely unlike the stylish way Achilles offed Hector. Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
You are so right. I mean look at all those warriors - why aren't they pansies, like Ilion?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Ilíon wrote:
Which isn't nearly as bad as making him out to be "gay."
Achilles was as queer as a three dollar bill. Not exclusively, but definitely. You need to stop getting your history spoonerized.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Spoonerize is to change the meaning of sentences by switching words or syllables around, either deliberately or by accident. Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann once referred to Republican Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act (signed by Hoover) as the "Hoot-Smalley" tariffs which she informed the world were the work of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Administration, never once mentioning Whobert Heaver. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
You are so right. I mean look at all those warriors - why aren't they pansies, like Ilion?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
I mean look at all those warriors
Of course, if all your best warriors are gay, that probably doesn't bode well for future generations of warriors.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ilíon wrote:
Which is to say, he was not "gay" (which is a modern-day socio-political thing), nor a homosexual (which term also reflects a concept foreign to his culture).
Nope, he fucked boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullshit.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Ilíon wrote:
Which is to say, he was not "gay" (which is a modern-day socio-political thing), nor a homosexual (which term also reflects a concept foreign to his culture).
Nope, he fucked boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullshit.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Nope, he f***ed boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullsh*t.
Furthermore, even the infallible (and pro all attitudes deemed "liberal") Wikipedia does bot agree with you. Wikipedia: Achilles and Patroclus[^]
The relationship between Achilles and Patroclus is a key element of the myths associated with the Trojan War. Its exact nature has been a subject of dispute in both the classical period and modern times. In the Iliad, it is clear that the two heroes (who are also first cousins once removed) have a deep and extremely meaningful friendship, but the evidence of a romantic or sexual element is equivocal. Commentators from the classical period to today have tended to interpret the relationship through the lens of their own cultures. Thus, in 5th century BC Athens the relationship was commonly interpreted as pederastic. Contemporary readers are more likely to interpret the two heroes either as non-sexual "war buddies" or as an egalitarian homosexual couple. In Homer - the Iliad In the Iliad, the death of Patroclus is the prime motivation of Achilles' return to battle- and subsequent quest for revenge- in the second half of the poem. The friendship of Achilles and Patroclus is mentioned explicitly only once in the Iliad, and then in a context of military excellence; it is the comradeship of warriors who fight always in each other's company: "From then on the son of Thetis urged that never in the moil of Ares should Patroclus be stationed apart from his own man-slaughtering spear." Although Homer does not dwell on the relationship in great detail, it underpins a great deal of Achilles' actions. Achilles' strongest interpersonal bond is with Patroclus, whom he loves dearly. As Gregory Nagy points out,
For Achilles ... in his own ascending scale of affection as dramatized by the entire composition of the Iliad, the highest place must belong to Patroklos.... In fact Patroklos is for Achilles the πολὺ φίλτατος ... ἑταῖρος — the ‘hetaîros who is the most phílos by far’ (XVII 411, 655).[1]
(Hetaîros means companion or comrade; in Homer it is usually used of soldiers under the same commander. Later the word is
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Oakman wrote:
I mean look at all those warriors
Of course, if all your best warriors are gay, that probably doesn't bode well for future generations of warriors.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course, if all your best warriors are gay, that probably doesn't bode well for future generations of warriors.
You have a problem with happy warriors? :confused: I am sure, as an ex-Navy man, you are familiar with the saying, "Any port in a storm?" From what the writings tell us, most warriors had visted many harbors of various shapes and sizes before they headed to Valhalla. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
Nope, he f***ed boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullsh*t.
You're still displaying your primary apptitude.
Ilíon wrote:
You're still displaying your primary apptitude
Knocking you out of the water over and over again? Naah. That's one of the least of 'em.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Oakman wrote:
Nope, he f***ed boys up the ass. If you want to claim that's the sign of a heterosexual, you go right ahead. I say that a movie that makes Achilles out to be hetero is peddling bullsh*t.
Furthermore, even the infallible (and pro all attitudes deemed "liberal") Wikipedia does bot agree with you. Wikipedia: Achilles and Patroclus[^]
The relationship between Achilles and Patroclus is a key element of the myths associated with the Trojan War. Its exact nature has been a subject of dispute in both the classical period and modern times. In the Iliad, it is clear that the two heroes (who are also first cousins once removed) have a deep and extremely meaningful friendship, but the evidence of a romantic or sexual element is equivocal. Commentators from the classical period to today have tended to interpret the relationship through the lens of their own cultures. Thus, in 5th century BC Athens the relationship was commonly interpreted as pederastic. Contemporary readers are more likely to interpret the two heroes either as non-sexual "war buddies" or as an egalitarian homosexual couple. In Homer - the Iliad In the Iliad, the death of Patroclus is the prime motivation of Achilles' return to battle- and subsequent quest for revenge- in the second half of the poem. The friendship of Achilles and Patroclus is mentioned explicitly only once in the Iliad, and then in a context of military excellence; it is the comradeship of warriors who fight always in each other's company: "From then on the son of Thetis urged that never in the moil of Ares should Patroclus be stationed apart from his own man-slaughtering spear." Although Homer does not dwell on the relationship in great detail, it underpins a great deal of Achilles' actions. Achilles' strongest interpersonal bond is with Patroclus, whom he loves dearly. As Gregory Nagy points out,
For Achilles ... in his own ascending scale of affection as dramatized by the entire composition of the Iliad, the highest place must belong to Patroklos.... In fact Patroklos is for Achilles the πολὺ φίλτατος ... ἑταῖρος — the ‘hetaîros who is the most phílos by far’ (XVII 411, 655).[1]
(Hetaîros means companion or comrade; in Homer it is usually used of soldiers under the same commander. Later the word is
You poor boy. How long did all that looking up take you? Here's a clue: Achilles fucked boys up the ass; girls, too. So did Hercules. So did the Spartans, including the 300. So did the Thebans. But since you believe anything you read on the internet, this was the first site I went to after googling "Achilles Gay": The love story of Achilles and Patroclus gave the Greeks a big headache: They did not worry whether Achilles or Patroclus were gay - it never crossed their minds. They wanted to know who was the top and who was the bottom. In other words, they could not decide who was the lover and who the beloved.[^] Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Spoonerize is to change the meaning of sentences by switching words or syllables around, either deliberately or by accident. Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann once referred to Republican Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act (signed by Hoover) as the "Hoot-Smalley" tariffs which she informed the world were the work of the Franklin Delano Roosevelt Administration, never once mentioning Whobert Heaver. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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You poor boy. How long did all that looking up take you? Here's a clue: Achilles fucked boys up the ass; girls, too. So did Hercules. So did the Spartans, including the 300. So did the Thebans. But since you believe anything you read on the internet, this was the first site I went to after googling "Achilles Gay": The love story of Achilles and Patroclus gave the Greeks a big headache: They did not worry whether Achilles or Patroclus were gay - it never crossed their minds. They wanted to know who was the top and who was the bottom. In other words, they could not decide who was the lover and who the beloved.[^] Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
Now go away, will you? You always want to talk with me about homosexuality and it makes my skin crawl, when I am reminded what your fantasies are. You can have the last word, I've opted out.
Such a lying fool[^] -- it would be funny, if it weren't so sad.
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I am aware of the Rev. Spooner, what I don't get is your use of "spoonerized" in the context of the thread.
Bob Emmett
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'twas a stretch, I admit. In the harsh light of day, I might have gone for a different metaphor.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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Yeah, completely unlike the stylish way Achilles offed Hector. Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Uh, they're not.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Why are gay's such violent people when unrestrained by chrisitan tradition?
Uh, they're not.
Tell that to Hector.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Tell that to Hector.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Is this supposed to be a good point? Achilles was a warrior.