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  • S soap brain

    You are free once you understand that your bondage is of your own design and you cease forging the chains that bind you.

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    Stan Shannon
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    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    You are free once you understand that your bondage is of your own design and you cease forging the chains that bind you.

    Or until your government empowers itself to force you to work to achieve its goals. Or until your government promotes a belief system which all individuals are required to acknowledge as superior to any other.

    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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    • C CaptainSeeSharp

      Stan Shannon wrote:

      Since when?

      Since the Constitution was made into law.

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      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

      Since the Constitution was made into law.

      Where in the constitution are any of the items you listed stated? And if they are there, why have they never been enforced throughout American history?

      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

        You are free once you understand that your bondage is of your own design and you cease forging the chains that bind you.

        Or until your government empowers itself to force you to work to achieve its goals. Or until your government promotes a belief system which all individuals are required to acknowledge as superior to any other.

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        soap brain
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        It is hereby forbidden to use the word Freedom, which will be expelled from the dictionaries and the treacherous swamp of mouths. From this moment on freedom will be something alive and transparent, like fire or a river, or like a seed of wheat and its dwelling will forever be the heart of man.

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          CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

          Since the Constitution was made into law.

          Where in the constitution are any of the items you listed stated? And if they are there, why have they never been enforced throughout American history?

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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          Stan Shannon wrote:

          And if they are there, why have they never been enforced throughout American history?

          Overtime people valued their freedoms less, or they don't know what freedom is, like you.

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            Stan Shannon wrote:

            And if they are there, why have they never been enforced throughout American history?

            Overtime people valued their freedoms less, or they don't know what freedom is, like you.

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            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

            Overtime people valued their freedoms less, or they don't know what freedom is, like you.

            When did AMericans ever live according to your list?

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              It is hereby forbidden to use the word Freedom, which will be expelled from the dictionaries and the treacherous swamp of mouths. From this moment on freedom will be something alive and transparent, like fire or a river, or like a seed of wheat and its dwelling will forever be the heart of man.

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              We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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              • S Stan Shannon

                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                Overtime people valued their freedoms less, or they don't know what freedom is, like you.

                When did AMericans ever live according to your list?

                Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                Stan Shannon wrote:

                When did AMericans ever live according to your list?

                In America's early days.

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                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  When did AMericans ever live according to your list?

                  In America's early days.

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                  CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                  In America's early days.

                  Where? Every town, county and state in the country had laws defining acceptable behavior and unaceptable behavior on the part of their citizens, all worked out by the citizens themselves.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                  • S Stan Shannon

                    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                    In America's early days.

                    Where? Every town, county and state in the country had laws defining acceptable behavior and unaceptable behavior on the part of their citizens, all worked out by the citizens themselves.

                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    all worked out by the citizens themselves.

                    It ain't like that today. You do what you are told to do these days. You don't have a say in the laws. Most people are so ignorant they don't know how government works. They don't vote. They say "Oh well, there is nothing I can do"

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                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      all worked out by the citizens themselves.

                      It ain't like that today. You do what you are told to do these days. You don't have a say in the laws. Most people are so ignorant they don't know how government works. They don't vote. They say "Oh well, there is nothing I can do"

                      Wake Up Call[^]

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                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                      It ain't like that today. You do what you are told to do these days. You don't have a say in the laws. Most people are so ignorant they don't know how government works. They don't vote. They say "Oh well, there is nothing I can do"

                      But your original example certainly is. A home owners association is a grop of home owners who subscribe to a set of behaviors defined by themselves. They collectively make and enoforce their own rules. No one from the federal government is coming in and telling them they can't have patriotic stickers on their cars. They made that rule up for themselves - freely.

                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                      • S Stan Shannon

                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                        It ain't like that today. You do what you are told to do these days. You don't have a say in the laws. Most people are so ignorant they don't know how government works. They don't vote. They say "Oh well, there is nothing I can do"

                        But your original example certainly is. A home owners association is a grop of home owners who subscribe to a set of behaviors defined by themselves. They collectively make and enoforce their own rules. No one from the federal government is coming in and telling them they can't have patriotic stickers on their cars. They made that rule up for themselves - freely.

                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                        CaptainSeeSharp
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                        Stan Shannon wrote:

                        They collectively make and enoforce their own rules

                        From the article it looked as if a very small group or even a single individual was making the rules.

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                        • O Oakman

                          Bob Emmett wrote:

                          Blair has not been the UK's Prime Minister since June 2007, long before Putin became Russia's Prime Minister.

                          are you trying to confuse the captain with the facts?

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                          Oakman wrote:

                          are you trying to confuse the captain with the facts?

                          Not to fear, everything confuses him. :laugh:

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                          • C CaptainSeeSharp

                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            Its a homeownwers association. A local community

                            What happens when all the local communities govern like fascist dictators?

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                            CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                            What happens when all the local communities govern like fascist dictators?

                            Stan will dance in the streets and declare his job done.

                            "Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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