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  • C Chris Austin

    Reading your message made me curious so I cecked out your profile. Are you still teaching/coaching robotics. My brother-in-law has been a Roboticist pretty much since he graduated from the university and every now and then I get to help out with some of the coding, love it.

    Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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    Chris Austin wrote:

    Are you still teaching/coaching robotics.

    Not as much. The team laid out for two years but competed again this year. I helped get them started but backed off at toward the end. I am still active with a group that provides workshops and another competition in the fall for the bay area teams, WRRF[^]. I'm also a regular here, Homebrew Robotics Club[^]. Here too, I guess, IEEE RAS[^]. Most of the software I wrote was for factory automation or instrumentation. Just bouncing bits around doesn't really do much for me.

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    • C Christian Graus

      I'm interested to know what happened, and from what state you moved into atheism.

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Please read this[^] if you don't like the answer I gave to your question. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums.

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      I'm interested to know what happened, and from what state you moved into atheism.

      I had a discussion with a friend about the nature of the universe and during our talk, it just became clear to me. Growing up, anothough I guess I wasn't fully grown at the time, I went to a couple of protestant churches. I guess at 11, I had gathered enough pieces of the puzzle to put it together.

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      • S Stan Shannon

        Congratulations on a lifetime of complete intellectual sterility.

        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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        Stan Shannon wrote:

        Congratulations on a lifetime of complete intellectual sterility.

        Yet complete intellectual sterility is so much ahead of what you have.

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        • T Tim Craig

          Stan Shannon wrote:

          Congratulations on a lifetime of complete intellectual sterility.

          Yet complete intellectual sterility is so much ahead of what you have.

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          Tim Craig wrote:

          Yet complete intellectual sterility is so much ahead of what you have.

          At least I didn't stop thinking at age 11.

          Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Tim Craig wrote:

            Yet complete intellectual sterility is so much ahead of what you have.

            At least I didn't stop thinking at age 11.

            Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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            Stan Shannon wrote:

            At least I didn't stop thinking at age 11.

            I'm guessing you didn't discover your atheism that early and then later in life you're the one who stopped thinking. Guess it was just too much work for you. Couldn't look bad to the boys down at party headquarters? Oh, I forgot, you couldn't trust modern medicine and had to cut a special deal.

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            • I Ilion

              Gary Kirkham wrote:

              Yes, I got the message that you don't have a clue. I pray that God will reveal to you the depths of His love and that you would grow in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ.

              Churchianity does tend to be hypocritical ... or, to put the best possible light on it, self-oblivious.

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              Maybe so, yet praying is all that I can do. It's God that has to change your heart. I do hope that someday you will see God for who He really is and not the idol you have formed to justify your hatred and abuse of others.

              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                Maybe so, yet praying is all that I can do. It's God that has to change your heart. I do hope that someday you will see God for who He really is and not the idol you have formed to justify your hatred and abuse of others.

                Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                Gary Kirkham wrote:

                Maybe so, yet praying is all that I can do. It's God that has to change your heart. I do hope that someday you will see God for who He really is and not the idol you have formed to justify your hatred and abuse of others.

                Oddly enough, *I* pray that you will someday grasp that you are not more righteous than God. And that, in the meantime, you may understand your hypocrisy according to your own asserted (yet pseudo) morality.

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                • T Tim Craig

                  Stan Shannon wrote:

                  At least I didn't stop thinking at age 11.

                  I'm guessing you didn't discover your atheism that early and then later in life you're the one who stopped thinking. Guess it was just too much work for you. Couldn't look bad to the boys down at party headquarters? Oh, I forgot, you couldn't trust modern medicine and had to cut a special deal.

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                  Tim Craig wrote:

                  I'm guessing you didn't discover your atheism that early and then later in life you're the one who stopped thinking. Guess it was just too much work for you. Couldn't look bad to the boys down at party headquarters? Oh, I forgot, you couldn't trust modern medicine and had to cut a special deal.

                  No, I was probably about 11 when I concluded that there could not possibly be a God that would allow the kind of suffering I was witnessing first hand. Later, however, with a little more maturity, I came to consider that atheism was simply no more rational than was religion, and that the real question was not God vs no-God, it was purpose vs. no-purpose. A universe that existed for no purpose seemed less rational than one that existed for a purpose. And further, I just did not have the ability to face the sickness of a child as an atheist. I am emotionally incapable of dealing with life as if I were some sort of robot. I'm too weak. Of course, none of that provided any insight into the issue of one religion vs. another. But since any thinking mind would have to conclude that religion was essential to human civilization and progress, I just picked the one that was most convenient - the one that got me here in the first place.

                  Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                    Gary Kirkham wrote:

                    Maybe so, yet praying is all that I can do. It's God that has to change your heart. I do hope that someday you will see God for who He really is and not the idol you have formed to justify your hatred and abuse of others.

                    Oddly enough, *I* pray that you will someday grasp that you are not more righteous than God. And that, in the meantime, you may understand your hypocrisy according to your own asserted (yet pseudo) morality.

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                    IlĂ­on wrote:

                    you are not more righteous than God.

                    I never claimed to be. My righteousness comes from God and as such the gift cannot be greater than the giver. Tell me, has your righteousness exceeded that of the Pharisees?

                    Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                    • S Stan Shannon

                      Tim Craig wrote:

                      I'm guessing you didn't discover your atheism that early and then later in life you're the one who stopped thinking. Guess it was just too much work for you. Couldn't look bad to the boys down at party headquarters? Oh, I forgot, you couldn't trust modern medicine and had to cut a special deal.

                      No, I was probably about 11 when I concluded that there could not possibly be a God that would allow the kind of suffering I was witnessing first hand. Later, however, with a little more maturity, I came to consider that atheism was simply no more rational than was religion, and that the real question was not God vs no-God, it was purpose vs. no-purpose. A universe that existed for no purpose seemed less rational than one that existed for a purpose. And further, I just did not have the ability to face the sickness of a child as an atheist. I am emotionally incapable of dealing with life as if I were some sort of robot. I'm too weak. Of course, none of that provided any insight into the issue of one religion vs. another. But since any thinking mind would have to conclude that religion was essential to human civilization and progress, I just picked the one that was most convenient - the one that got me here in the first place.

                      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      I concluded that there could not possibly be a God that would allow the kind of suffering I was witnessing first hand.

                      Aw, you really showed god who was boss by pretending to not believe in him.

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      I am emotionally incapable of dealing with life as if I were some sort of robot. I'm too weak.

                      So there must be something wrong with those who can since the great Stanley can't.

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      But since any thinking mind would have to conclude that religion was essential to human civilization and progress, I just picked the one that was most convenient - the one that got me here in the first place.

                      No, thinking minds don't conclude that. Your thinking isn't rational, simply rationalization. I'm beginning to think those Navy doctors didn't give you a big enough dose for that last batch of clap you're so proud of.

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