so how is that hope and change working out for you
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Oakman wrote:
Is there anyone one in Oz who has a more jaundiced view of the man?
I can assure you Jon the majority of us don't really give half a shit about our own politics let alone yours. This place is so US centric these days that for the rest of us we end up with a choice of discussing your politics or nothing.
:thumbsup::thumbsup: So how about that swine flu epidemic? :laugh: :doh:
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:thumbsup::thumbsup: So how about that swine flu epidemic? :laugh: :doh:
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Oakman wrote:
Is there anyone one in Oz who has a more jaundiced view of the man?
I can assure you Jon the majority of us don't really give half a shit about our own politics let alone yours. This place is so US centric these days that for the rest of us we end up with a choice of discussing your politics or nothing.
I wouldn't mind hearing about other countries politics, but in my case I probably wouldn't comment other than to ask questions as I am not very knowledgeable, but I would not mind reading. I thought the update recently about Lebanon's election interesting.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
So how about that swine flu epidemic?
This morning I was reading some articles about the perceived racial attacks on Indian students here and in Melbourne and thought that might be a good topic for a thread but decided against it.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
So how about that swine flu epidemic?
This morning I was reading some articles about the perceived racial attacks on Indian students here and in Melbourne and thought that might be a good topic for a thread but decided against it.
yeah, that is getting ugly. Do you think it's real ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
I'd say my view is more jaundiced than most.
Well, I must admit I have never heard you refer to him as the Second Coming, but it takes me back a little to think that you might be as critical of him as it gets in Australia.
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We get a highly filtered view, and most of that is rose coloured. The press was very anti Bush, so they were bound to love anyone who replaced him.
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yeah, that is getting ugly. Do you think it's real ?
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By real do you mean is it really an issue of race? Seems to me the racial aspect of it has been blown out of all proportion by the Indian media.
Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
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Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
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My mentee from last year was a quiet Indian student, and he was assaulted and robbed here in Brisbane for his wallet and mobile phone... I'd have to say that for the large proportion of Indian students that I have met, they do provide a target for scumbags, due to their soft-spoken nature and reluctance (generally) to fight back...
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My mentee from last year was a quiet Indian student, and he was assaulted and robbed here in Brisbane for his wallet and mobile phone... I'd have to say that for the large proportion of Indian students that I have met, they do provide a target for scumbags, due to their soft-spoken nature and reluctance (generally) to fight back...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
they do provide a target for scumbags, due to their soft-spoken nature and reluctance (generally) to fight back...
Yeah, that aspect had occured to me, but that's still not the same as targetting Indians based on race. Doesn't help them much, but it does make it somewhat of a beat up.
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Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
To be completely honest I do think it's a racial issue but not in the way you would suspect. There are in Sydney groups of young males of a particular background that love to beat the shit out of people. The Indian students have moved into the areas these people consider their "turf" because it's cheap and the Indian students are generally easy targets to a group of 20 young guys with something to prove to each other. Neither the police or our state government have the balls to acknowledge the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population. To do so would expose them to accusations of racism. From what I've read the situation in Melbourne is quite different.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
To be completely honest I do think it's a racial issue but not in the way you would suspect. There are in Sydney groups of young males of a particular background that love to beat the shit out of people. The Indian students have moved into the areas these people consider their "turf" because it's cheap and the Indian students are generally easy targets to a group of 20 young guys with something to prove to each other. Neither the police or our state government have the balls to acknowledge the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population. To do so would expose them to accusations of racism. From what I've read the situation in Melbourne is quite different.
Josh Gray wrote:
Neither the police or our state government have the balls to acknowledge the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population. To do so would expose them to accusations of racism.
Yeah, I believe that. And, it totally sucks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yeah, I thought that may be the case. The violence is obviously happening, but is it just that students live in poor areas, and are mostly Indian ? I find it hard to believe there's gangs wandering the streets, looking for Indians to beat up.
To be completely honest I do think it's a racial issue but not in the way you would suspect. There are in Sydney groups of young males of a particular background that love to beat the shit out of people. The Indian students have moved into the areas these people consider their "turf" because it's cheap and the Indian students are generally easy targets to a group of 20 young guys with something to prove to each other. Neither the police or our state government have the balls to acknowledge the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population. To do so would expose them to accusations of racism. From what I've read the situation in Melbourne is quite different.
Josh Gray wrote:
the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population.
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids? They're starting gangs and are fighting in turf wars? I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
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I wouldn't mind hearing about other countries politics, but in my case I probably wouldn't comment other than to ask questions as I am not very knowledgeable, but I would not mind reading. I thought the update recently about Lebanon's election interesting.
Oh man, you really don't want to get too involved in Arab politics. It'll give you a whopping headache by the time you grasp a bit of it. Complicated, does not begin to describe it and yet, it can be easily expressed by saying that the majority of the leaders are influenced by their own greed and extreme polarization of the population into many factions.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
So how about that swine flu epidemic?
This morning I was reading some articles about the perceived racial attacks on Indian students here and in Melbourne and thought that might be a good topic for a thread but decided against it.
Josh Gray wrote:
This morning I was reading some articles about the perceived racial attacks on Indian students here and in Melbourne and thought that might be a good topic for a thread but decided against it.
And I was reading about that days ago, and also thought about posting at least a link to some of the news items or opinions about it ... and knew that "the community" is not interested.
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kmg365 wrote:
Why?
As he said, few would be interested ... and the few who *would* be interested would be interested only in accusing him of racism for even bringing it up. Nothing is more frightening to a certain mindset than to be accused (even falsely) of racism.
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Josh Gray wrote:
the problem of violence amongst our "of middle eastern decent" population.
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids? They're starting gangs and are fighting in turf wars? I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids?
In the few reports which actually mention background or ethnicity, it is Arabs Moslems (*) doing the attacking.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
Because! I know that's not a real answer, but that *is* the answer. (*) Some of the attacters are Pakistani, some are African, some may be Arab (I don't recall having read anything to that effect).
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Really? Interesting. So, Arabs are the ones beating up on Indian kids?
In the few reports which actually mention background or ethnicity, it is Arabs Moslems (*) doing the attacking.
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
I'm not arguing with you, but why would the fear of being politically incorrect stop the police force from doing the right thing and apprehending these assholes?
Because! I know that's not a real answer, but that *is* the answer. (*) Some of the attacters are Pakistani, some are African, some may be Arab (I don't recall having read anything to that effect).
modified on Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:03 AM
You have Muslims from all over the world. Stereo-typing them as Middle Easterners is a sign of lack of knowledge and understanding. In addition, you cannot call a religious group an ethnicity. You wouldn't call a Muslim from say the USA or from India or Uzbekistan a Middle Easterner.
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