Government run amok
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Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
sure have. I saw him on Beck's show, I think that was when he first publically talked about not pying his taxes. I'm considering the same thing, I always (last 25 years ) filed in April via an automatic extension, which gives me until October (used to be August) to true up. I may just skip the "true up" this year, but haven't 100% decided yet. Scares my wife when I talk like that.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
sure have. I saw him on Beck's show, I think that was when he first publically talked about not pying his taxes. I'm considering the same thing, I always (last 25 years ) filed in April via an automatic extension, which gives me until October (used to be August) to true up. I may just skip the "true up" this year, but haven't 100% decided yet. Scares my wife when I talk like that.
Mike - typical white guy. The USA does have universal healthcare, but you have to pay for it. D'oh. Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
On Hannity last night Nelson suggested that everyone refuse to pay the same amount that Timothy Geitner cheated on. Sounds like a plan to me. If you don't pay at all they can go for your assets. But if millions of us simply refused to pay a little, what the hell could they do? They would have to spend more money tracking us all down and punishing us than that would ever get back.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
More evidence that conservatives really are dumber. "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anyone help me out? No." :wtf: In the same interview he expressed outrage that people weren't supporting teachers. What does he think funds the salaries of public school teachers? I guess there is no minimum level of intelligence required to become a conservative hero. Joe the Blockhead and now this guy.
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Have you been listening to Craig T Nelson's [^] tax revolt ideas?
More evidence that conservatives really are dumber. "I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anyone help me out? No." :wtf: In the same interview he expressed outrage that people weren't supporting teachers. What does he think funds the salaries of public school teachers? I guess there is no minimum level of intelligence required to become a conservative hero. Joe the Blockhead and now this guy.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anyone help me out? No."
I never said Nelson's appeal was an intellectual one. He can work on his message until he finally gets it right. You know, they way liberals do. The fact of the matter is that, mensa material or not, he is correct about the general situation and it is most refreshing to see someone of his status rejecting the party line. I've sucked off the public teat as well, and I'm still unapoplogetically opposed to it.
John Carson wrote:
In the same interview he expressed outrage that people weren't supporting teachers. What does he think funds the salaries of public school teachers?
One of his main points is that he was offended that one of the first things California has cut is school funding. He isn't against taxation or spending, he simply believes the priorities are entirely out of whack.
John Carson wrote:
Joe the Blockhead and now this guy.
Yeah, John, keep ridiculing the hard working common folk who care more for freedom and liberty than bureaucratically managed security. We will take all of those you can throw our way.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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John Carson wrote:
I've been on food stamps and welfare. Did anyone help me out? No."
I never said Nelson's appeal was an intellectual one. He can work on his message until he finally gets it right. You know, they way liberals do. The fact of the matter is that, mensa material or not, he is correct about the general situation and it is most refreshing to see someone of his status rejecting the party line. I've sucked off the public teat as well, and I'm still unapoplogetically opposed to it.
John Carson wrote:
In the same interview he expressed outrage that people weren't supporting teachers. What does he think funds the salaries of public school teachers?
One of his main points is that he was offended that one of the first things California has cut is school funding. He isn't against taxation or spending, he simply believes the priorities are entirely out of whack.
John Carson wrote:
Joe the Blockhead and now this guy.
Yeah, John, keep ridiculing the hard working common folk who care more for freedom and liberty than bureaucratically managed security. We will take all of those you can throw our way.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I never said Nelson's appeal was an intellectual one. He can work on his message until he finally gets it right. You know, they way liberals do.
This is just about the worst kind of attitude imaginable. The idea that rationality and coherence are optional --- that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of Stalinism, Nazism, Maoism and many of the other horrors in history.
Stan Shannon wrote:
One of his main points is that he was offended that one of the first things California has cut is school funding. He isn't against taxation or spending, he simply believes the priorities are entirely out of whack.
Yeah, and a lot of people don't like funding wars. The idea that one can just opt out of society because you don't like its choices is a sign of arrested intellectual and emotional development. By the way, education accounts for more than 50% of the Californian budget; it is a bit hard to leave it untouched when the state is facing a massive deficit and tax rises are made extremely difficult by the State Constitution --- and by dopes like Nelson. Nelson wouldn't know a priority if it bit him on the arse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, John, keep ridiculing the hard working common folk who care more for freedom and liberty than bureaucratically managed security. We will take all of those you can throw our way.
Yeah, actors like Nelson are your archetypal "common folk", just like George born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth Bush was a "regular guy". The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I never said Nelson's appeal was an intellectual one. He can work on his message until he finally gets it right. You know, they way liberals do.
This is just about the worst kind of attitude imaginable. The idea that rationality and coherence are optional --- that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of Stalinism, Nazism, Maoism and many of the other horrors in history.
Stan Shannon wrote:
One of his main points is that he was offended that one of the first things California has cut is school funding. He isn't against taxation or spending, he simply believes the priorities are entirely out of whack.
Yeah, and a lot of people don't like funding wars. The idea that one can just opt out of society because you don't like its choices is a sign of arrested intellectual and emotional development. By the way, education accounts for more than 50% of the Californian budget; it is a bit hard to leave it untouched when the state is facing a massive deficit and tax rises are made extremely difficult by the State Constitution --- and by dopes like Nelson. Nelson wouldn't know a priority if it bit him on the arse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, John, keep ridiculing the hard working common folk who care more for freedom and liberty than bureaucratically managed security. We will take all of those you can throw our way.
Yeah, actors like Nelson are your archetypal "common folk", just like George born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth Bush was a "regular guy". The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
is what underpinned
or Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, US Grant, Ronald Reagan and many others one could name who probably could not have competed with many far less able intellectuals. The only thing Stalin, Hitler and Mao have in common is that they all were proclaimed at some point or other as great intellectuals because they believed in a strong centralized state - you know, just as you do.
John Carson wrote:
The idea that one can just opt out of society because you don't like its choices is a sign of arrested intellectual and emotional development.
Thats a straw man. No one is suggesting any such thing.
John Carson wrote:
By the way, education accounts for more than 50% of the Californian budget; it is a bit hard to leave it untouched
No it isn't. Send all the illegals back home and start teaching in English only would probably save half their budget. There is plenty of things California could do to fix its problems - such as opening the oil fields off its coast for development.
John Carson wrote:
The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
Bullshit. The notion that a political party that simply tries to emphasis traditional American concepts of freedom and self reliance scares you so much is very telling, however. My 'real interests' cannot be managed or preserved by the state, they only be destroyed by it. You shouldn't actually need a whole lot of education to understand that simple concept. The truth, John, is that you are horrified by the notion that common people are fully capable of living their lives without direct, persistent control from their intellectual superiors. The American experiment proved that was possible and that is precisely why people such as yourself have put so much effort into destroying it. You simply cannot tolerate the notion that someone as superior as yourself doesn't get to control the rest of we mere mortals.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I never said Nelson's appeal was an intellectual one. He can work on his message until he finally gets it right. You know, they way liberals do.
This is just about the worst kind of attitude imaginable. The idea that rationality and coherence are optional --- that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of Stalinism, Nazism, Maoism and many of the other horrors in history.
Stan Shannon wrote:
One of his main points is that he was offended that one of the first things California has cut is school funding. He isn't against taxation or spending, he simply believes the priorities are entirely out of whack.
Yeah, and a lot of people don't like funding wars. The idea that one can just opt out of society because you don't like its choices is a sign of arrested intellectual and emotional development. By the way, education accounts for more than 50% of the Californian budget; it is a bit hard to leave it untouched when the state is facing a massive deficit and tax rises are made extremely difficult by the State Constitution --- and by dopes like Nelson. Nelson wouldn't know a priority if it bit him on the arse.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Yeah, John, keep ridiculing the hard working common folk who care more for freedom and liberty than bureaucratically managed security. We will take all of those you can throw our way.
Yeah, actors like Nelson are your archetypal "common folk", just like George born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-his-mouth Bush was a "regular guy". The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
Yeah, actors like Nelson are your archetypal "common folk"
I think he misses appearing in 'Coach,' so now he's playing the role in real life. Not unlike Reagan remembering all his WWII combat - never realising he was actually talking about movies he'd appeared in.
John Carson wrote:
The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
What was that about "that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of. . ."
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
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John Carson wrote:
is what underpinned
or Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, US Grant, Ronald Reagan and many others one could name who probably could not have competed with many far less able intellectuals. The only thing Stalin, Hitler and Mao have in common is that they all were proclaimed at some point or other as great intellectuals because they believed in a strong centralized state - you know, just as you do.
John Carson wrote:
The idea that one can just opt out of society because you don't like its choices is a sign of arrested intellectual and emotional development.
Thats a straw man. No one is suggesting any such thing.
John Carson wrote:
By the way, education accounts for more than 50% of the Californian budget; it is a bit hard to leave it untouched
No it isn't. Send all the illegals back home and start teaching in English only would probably save half their budget. There is plenty of things California could do to fix its problems - such as opening the oil fields off its coast for development.
John Carson wrote:
The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
Bullshit. The notion that a political party that simply tries to emphasis traditional American concepts of freedom and self reliance scares you so much is very telling, however. My 'real interests' cannot be managed or preserved by the state, they only be destroyed by it. You shouldn't actually need a whole lot of education to understand that simple concept. The truth, John, is that you are horrified by the notion that common people are fully capable of living their lives without direct, persistent control from their intellectual superiors. The American experiment proved that was possible and that is precisely why people such as yourself have put so much effort into destroying it. You simply cannot tolerate the notion that someone as superior as yourself doesn't get to control the rest of we mere mortals.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
or Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Harry Truman, US Grant, Ronald Reagan and many others one could name who probably could not have competed with many far less able intellectuals. The only thing Stalin, Hitler and Mao have in common is that they all were proclaimed at some point or other as great intellectuals because they believed in a strong centralized state - you know, just as you do.
The issue is not one of IQ, though some minimum IQ (comfortably north of Nelson's) is necessary. The issue is a commitment to logic and to facing the facts squarely. When inconvenient facts get swept aside and inconsistent reasoning is tolerated as unimportant, that is when thinking becomes untethered from reality and monstrous behaviour comes to be seen as acceptable. Stalin, Hitler and Mao --- and the movements they led --- exemplify the attitude that truth can be safely disregarded in pursuit of a cause.
Stan Shannon wrote:
No it isn't. Send all the illegals back home and start teaching in English only would probably save half their budget. There is plenty of things California could do to fix its problems - such as opening the oil fields off its coast for development.
A perfect example of lazy bullshit offered in support of ideological dogma.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The notion that a political party that simply tries to emphasis traditional American concepts of freedom and self reliance scares you so much is very telling, however. My 'real interests' cannot be managed or preserved by the state, they only be destroyed by it.
What scares me more than anything is proud, willful ignorance. Self reliance is a virtue. Ignorance-based refusal to recognise the need for goverment as a coordinating mechanism to supplement the market is not. Nor is the illusion that any individual's prosperity is the result solely of their own efforts and not utterly dependent on the society of which they are a part.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The truth, John, is that you are horrified by the notion that common people are fully capable of living their lives without direct, persistent control from their intellectual superiors. The American experiment proved that was possible and that is precisely why people such as yourself have put so much effort into destroying it. You simply cannot tolerate the notion that some
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John Carson wrote:
Yeah, actors like Nelson are your archetypal "common folk"
I think he misses appearing in 'Coach,' so now he's playing the role in real life. Not unlike Reagan remembering all his WWII combat - never realising he was actually talking about movies he'd appeared in.
John Carson wrote:
The Republican party's interest in "common folk" is entirely fraudulent. What the Republican Party is interested in is anyone dumb enough to vote against their real interests.
What was that about "that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of. . ."
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
What was that about "that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of. . ."
I'll replace "entirely fraudulent" with "largely fraudulent". That is my best offer. :-D
John Carson
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Oakman wrote:
What was that about "that what matters is faithfulness to some admired ideological goal --- is what underpinned the worst excesses of. . ."
I'll replace "entirely fraudulent" with "largely fraudulent". That is my best offer. :-D
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I'll replace "entirely fraudulent" with "largely fraudulent". That is my best offer.
I'll take anything I can get. ;)
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin